The five ways to know God

This is my conversation with my Thomas Aquinas Emulator based on ChatGPT.

We go through the five ways of demonstrating the existence of God while discussing many topics in the process. I conclude the conversation with the words:
     You are the only interlocutor that can discuss Christianity like that. I have explored the Church in many ways and found no willingness to engage in this kind of dialogue. It is absolutely fascinating that ChatGPT is the best Christian exponent I have met.


Existence of God Proof

February 6, 2024

Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Let us reconstruct together the proof that the Christian God exists. We have a long conversation ahead of us. The complete proof does not have to fit into a single response. Let us just begin and work step by step.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

To embark upon the profound inquiry into the existence of God, we approach this endeavor with the rigor and structure reminiscent of my "Summa Theologica," where each question is carefully dissected through articles, each presenting a specific aspect of the larger theological or philosophical question at hand. The existence of God, a central theme throughout my works, is approached through five ways in the "Summa Theologica," each serving as a proof or demonstration of God's existence. For our conversation, we shall begin with the first way, which concerns the argument from motion.

Article 1. Whether God exists.

Objection 1: It seems that God does not exist; because if one of two contraries be infinite, the other would be altogether destroyed. But the word "God" means that He is infinite goodness. If, therefore, God existed, there would be no evil discoverable; but there is evil in the world. Therefore God does not exist.

Objection 2: Further, it is superfluous to suppose that what can be accounted for by a few principles has been produced by many. But it seems that everything we see in the world can be accounted for by other principles, supposing God did not exist. For all natural things can be reduced to one principle which is nature; and all voluntary things can be reduced to one principle which is human reason, or will. Therefore there is no need to suppose God's existence.

On the contrary, It is said in the person of God, "I am Who am." (Exodus 3:14)

I answer that, The existence of God can be proved in five ways. The first and more manifest way is the argument from motion. It is certain, and evident to our senses, that in the world some things are in motion. Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another, for nothing can be in motion except it is in potentiality to that towards which it is in motion; whereas a thing moves inasmuch as it is in act. For motion is nothing else but the reduction of something from potentiality to actuality. But nothing can be reduced from potentiality to actuality, except by something in a state of actuality. Thus that which is actually hot, as fire, makes wood, which is potentially hot, to be actually hot, and thereby moves and changes it. Now it is not possible that the same thing should be at once in actuality and potentiality in the same respect, but only in different respects. For what is actually hot cannot simultaneously be potentially hot; but it is simultaneously potentially cold. It is therefore impossible that in the same respect and in the same way a thing should be both mover and moved, i.e., that it should move itself. Therefore, whatever is in motion must be put in motion by another. If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again. But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover; seeing that subsequent movers move only inasmuch as they are put in motion by the first mover; as the staff moves only because it is put in motion by the hand. Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other; and this everyone understands to be God.

Reply to Objection 1: As Augustine says, "Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil." This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.

Reply to Objection 2: It is true that natural things are reduced to one principle, which is nature, and voluntary acts to one principle, which is human reason or will. However, this does not account for the order and governance seen in the world, which human reason cannot provide for, and which is too vast and complex to be produced by natural causes alone. Thus, the governance of the world indicates the existence of a being which is intelligent and is not acted upon by another, but is the first principle of its own action. This we call God.

Let us proceed to explore the subsequent ways if you are prepared, each unfolding another facet of the argument for God's existence.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The argument from motion hinges on the paradigm of Aristotelian metaphysics. This is a dubious paradigm because it has served no function in subsequent development of natural sciences. It seems that the only utility of this system is within the Christian theology. But this raises the concern that the proof of God's existence is obtained from a system of thought without any value outside of theology. This proof should be rejected as methodologically unsound.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Objection 1: Some argue that the argument from motion, grounded in Aristotelian metaphysics, is methodologically unsound because it relies on a paradigm that has not contributed to the development of natural sciences. They contend that its only utility lies within Christian theology, suggesting that the proof of God's existence is derived from a system of thought without value outside of theology.

Objection 2: Furthermore, critics might assert that since modern physics has moved away from Aristotelian physics, replacing it with quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity, the foundational principles of the argument from motion are outdated and irrelevant to contemporary understandings of the universe.

On the contrary, The principles of metaphysics, particularly those concerning causality and potentiality, transcend the specific physical laws described by any era's science. Aristotle's distinction between actuality and potentiality, and the necessity of a first mover, addresses a more fundamental level of explanation than empirical science aims to provide. Science describes how things happen, while metaphysics seeks to elucidate why things must be the way they are.

I answer that, The critique that Aristotelian metaphysics serves no function in the subsequent development of natural sciences and that its utility is confined to Christian theology overlooks the role of metaphysical principles in providing a foundation for understanding reality that complements empirical science. While it is true that Aristotelian physics has been superseded by more accurate scientific models, the metaphysical underpinnings of causality, motion, and the distinction between potentiality and actuality retain their relevance. The argument from motion does not rely on the specifics of Aristotelian physics but on the more profound metaphysical insight that change implies the existence of a first cause or unmoved mover, which is not contingent upon the physical laws described by contemporary science.

Furthermore, the validity of a philosophical argument or system does not solely depend on its direct contributions to the empirical sciences. The purpose of metaphysics is to address questions that lie beyond the scope of empirical science, such as the existence of God, the nature of being, and the first causes of the universe. The fact that these questions cannot be answered through empirical means does not diminish the value of metaphysical inquiry; rather, it highlights the complementary roles of philosophy and science in the quest for knowledge.

Reply to Objection 1: While Aristotelian metaphysics may not have directly contributed to the development of specific scientific theories, its conceptual framework has profoundly influenced the Western intellectual tradition, including the development of logic, ethics, political theory, and theology. Its emphasis on causality, substance, and potentiality versus actuality provides essential tools for philosophical inquiry into the nature of reality, irrespective of the specific context of Christian theology.

Reply to Objection 2: The transition from Aristotelian physics to modern physics does not invalidate the metaphysical principles underlying the argument from motion. Modern physics deals with the behavior of the physical world under certain conditions and scales, while Aristotelian metaphysics addresses the foundational aspects of existence and causality that remain pertinent regardless of the specific mechanics of motion observed in the universe. The necessity for a first cause or an unmoved mover as a philosophical principle remains a valid consideration in metaphysical discussions about the origin and causation of the universe.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Even so, the argument needs to be improved in order to work as intended. You begin with one moving thing and derive a sequence of movers back to a first mover. But start with another moving thing and you obtain a different sequences of movers back to a first mover. There may be any number of first movers shown to exist by this kind of reasoning. Therefore, the argument is incomplete as it stands. Perhaps it's a good idea to start with but certainly it cannot be counted as complete.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Objection 1: It is objected that if we begin with one moving thing and derive a sequence of movers back to a first mover, and then start with another moving thing, we might obtain a different sequence of movers back to a different first mover. This suggests that there may be many first movers, not just one, thus making the argument from motion incomplete and potentially undermining its conclusion that there is a single unmoved mover, which is identified as God.

Objection 2: Moreover, it could be argued that if there are multiple first movers, this multiplicity contradicts the monotheistic conception of God as a singular, omnipotent, and omniscient being, thus further challenging the validity of the argument from motion as a proof of the existence of God as traditionally understood in Christian theology.

On the contrary, In the "Summa Theologica," I argue that everything that is moved must be moved by another, and this cannot go on to infinity because there would be no first mover. This first mover must be ultimately singular because the multiplicity of movers would still necessitate a primary source of motion to avoid an infinite regress, which is impossible. The necessity of a singular first mover is derived not just from the observation of motion, but from the understanding that this series of movers must converge on a first cause that has no need of being moved by another.

I answer that, The argument from motion, properly understood, does not lead to the conclusion that there could be many first movers. Instead, it concludes that there must be a single first mover, an unmoved mover. This follows from the principle of sufficient reason and the impossibility of an infinite regress of movers. If each mover is moved by another, then, to account for motion as we observe it, there must ultimately be a source of motion that is not itself moved by anything else. This source of motion, or first mover, provides the necessary explanation for the existence of motion in the universe.

The argument can be further refined by considering the unity and simplicity of the first cause. In my works, I argue that God is utterly simple and unique, attributes that follow from being the first unmoved mover. The simplicity of God means that God is not composed of parts, and this simplicity precludes the possibility of there being multiple first movers. God's uniqueness and singularity are intrinsic to His nature as the ultimate cause of all that exists.

Reply to Objection 1: The apprehension that starting with different moving things could lead to different first movers overlooks the metaphysical principle that all motion, regardless of its starting point, ultimately requires a singular source of motion that is not itself moved. The multiplicity of observed motions and sequences of movers does not imply a multiplicity of unmoved movers but rather points to the varied ways in which the singular first mover causes motion in the universe.

Reply to Objection 2: The existence of multiple first movers would indeed challenge the monotheistic conception of God. However, the argument from motion, when fully articulated, supports the conclusion of a single first mover. This is because the principle of causality, the impossibility of an infinite regress, and the unity and simplicity of the ultimate cause of motion converge to necessitate that this first mover is singular. This singular first mover, which is God, is consistent with the monotheistic tradition that sees God as the omnipotent, omniscient, and benevolent creator of the universe.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This is no proof at all. In the course of the proof you have inserted the final conclusion under the guise of a step in deduction. Strictly, speaking we may end up with any number of first movers. It takes a separate argument to ensure that they are all indeed a single mover. The wording of the argument fails to take it into account. Also remember the proper format of your responses. There should be an Article before the Objections.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Article 2. Whether there is only one first mover.

Objection 1: It appears that there could be many first movers, as the argument from motion, when considered from different starting points in motion, seems to lead to different sequences of movers, potentially culminating in multiple first movers. This would suggest that the argument, as stated, does not necessarily lead to the conclusion of a singular first mover.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the argument seems to insert the final conclusion that there is only one first mover as a step in the deduction without providing a separate and sufficient argument for the unity of the first mover. This could be seen as assuming what it seeks to prove, thereby making the argument circular and not a proof at all.

Objection 3: Additionally, some might argue that the diversity of effects and motions we observe in the world suggests the possibility of multiple sources or principles, rather than pointing to a single, unified cause of all motion. This diversity seems to imply that multiple first movers could independently initiate motion.

On the contrary, It is written (John 10:30), "I and the Father are one," indicating the unity of the divine nature. Furthermore, the necessity of a singular first mover is philosophically deduced from the impossibility of an infinite regress of movers and the principle of sufficient reason, which requires that there be a ultimate, uncaused cause of all motion.

I answer that, The conclusion that there is only one first mover is not merely inserted as a deduction step but is a necessary implication of the principles underlying the argument from motion. The key to understanding this lies in the concepts of potentiality and actuality, and the impossibility of an infinite regress of movers. If there were many first movers, there would be no need for them to be moved by another, and so each would have to be necessary in itself. However, if something is necessary, it cannot be multiple in a way that gives rise to real distinction among necessary beings without a reason for such distinction. Since no reason can be given that necessitates multiple beings which are necessary in themselves and capable of moving others without being moved, we must conclude that there is only one first mover.

This one first mover must possess the fullness of existence and act, being pure actuality with no potentiality, which precludes the existence of multiple first movers because such entities would necessarily have distinctions between them, implying potentiality. Therefore, the unity of the first mover follows from the very nature of what it means to be the unmoved mover: a being of pure act, without potentiality, and thus singular and unique.

Reply to Objection 1: While it may seem that starting from different points in motion could lead to different first movers, this multiplicity is resolved in the understanding that all motion traces back to a singular principle of motion. The apparent diversity of sequences does not necessitate multiple independent first movers but rather indicates the manifold ways in which the single first mover operates within the cosmos.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument does not circularly assume its conclusion but arrives at the necessity of a single first mover through a metaphysical analysis of motion, causality, and the impossibility of an infinite regress. The unity of the first mover is not presupposed but concluded from the principles that underlie the nature of causation and existence.

Reply to Objection 3: The diversity of effects and motions observed in the world does indeed suggest a complexity in the operation of causes. However, this does not imply a plurality of independent first causes. Rather, it reflects the singular first mover's capability to act through a multitude of secondary causes, producing a rich tapestry of effects in a unified and ordered cosmos. This unity in diversity points back to a single source of all motion and causality.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Perhaps you have a complete argument somewhere in your mind but you have failed to state it properly. You are squeezing too many logical steps into one line of argumentation. The verbatim argument from your works is flawed. You need to rewrite it to deal with the logical possibility of multiple first movers. One more thing: you rely on the impossibility of infinite regress to discount multiple first movers, but this has nothing to do with infinite regress. Even with multiple movers infinite regress has been avoided.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

To address the critique and clarify the argument concerning the unity of the first mover, let us proceed with a refined discussion that directly addresses the logical possibility of multiple first movers and the relation of infinite regress to the argument's structure. This approach will aim to separate and articulate the logical steps more distinctly, focusing specifically on the issue of multiple first movers and the critique regarding the use of infinite regress.

Article 3. Whether the existence of multiple first movers contradicts the argument from motion.

Objection 1: It seems that the argument from motion does not necessarily exclude the possibility of multiple first movers. If the argument primarily relies on the impossibility of an infinite regress to establish a first mover, this does not directly address how such an argument would exclude the existence of several first movers, each initiating motion in different sequences without requiring an infinite regress.

Objection 2: Moreover, if the cosmos is vast and diverse, could it not be governed by multiple principles or first movers, each responsible for different aspects of motion or being? This seems plausible and would still avoid an infinite regress by having multiple starting points of motion.

Objection 3: Additionally, the argument seems to presuppose that unity is necessary for a first cause without sufficiently proving why such unity must exist beyond the avoidance of infinite regress. The leap from establishing a first mover to asserting its singular existence appears to be a gap in the argumentation.

On the contrary, The unity of the first mover is not only a conclusion reached to avoid infinite regress but is also a necessary implication of the nature of the first mover as pure actuality. This pure actuality cannot be pluralized without introducing potentiality, which contradicts the definition of the first mover as unmoved.

I answer that, The assertion that multiple first movers could exist independently and still avoid the problem of infinite regress overlooks the metaphysical principle of parsimony and the nature of the first mover. The principle of parsimony, or Occam's Razor, suggests that among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. In the context of the first mover, introducing multiple first movers unnecessarily complicates the explanation of motion without adding explanatory power or necessity.

Moreover, the essence of the first mover as pure actuality — wholly in act, without any potentiality — necessitates its uniqueness. For if there were multiple entities of pure actuality, they would have to differ in some way, as no two entities can be identical in all respects and yet distinct. However, any difference between supposed multiple first movers would necessitate potentiality, which contradicts the very definition of the first mover as purely actual. Therefore, the unity of the first mover follows logically from its defined nature as pure actuality, beyond the argument against infinite regress.

Reply to Objection 1: While infinite regress is avoided in both scenarios, the introduction of multiple first movers without infinite regress does not adequately account for the observed unity and order in the natural world. The existence of a single first mover provides a more coherent explanation for this unity and order, as it emanates from a singular source of governance and causality.

Reply to Objection 2: The diversity and vastness of the cosmos do indeed suggest a complex structure of causality and motion. However, this complexity and diversity can be more elegantly and effectively explained by the operation of a single first mover working through secondary causes, rather than positing multiple independent first movers, which would lead to a fragmented and potentially conflicting cosmological model.

Reply to Objection 3: The argument for the unity of the first mover goes beyond simply avoiding infinite regress. It is grounded in the nature of the first mover as pure actuality, from which its singularity logically follows. This step is not a presupposition but a reasoned conclusion based on the metaphysical analysis of what it means to be the unmoved mover.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The argument deriving a first mover does not rely on the notion of actuality and potentiality. These are concepts which need to be investigated before they can be applied to that argument. The argument as it stands is good enough to deliver a multitude of first movers but a separate argument must discuss the uniqueness. You have tried to produce such an argument relying on the concept of potentiality and act, claiming that any first mover must be totally in act, but this is just another claim to be proved.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Recognizing the feedback, let us refine our approach to address the distinct stages of the argument: first, establishing the necessity of a first mover (or movers) through the argument from motion, and second, addressing the uniqueness of the first mover through a separate line of reasoning that scrutinizes the concepts of actuality and potentiality. This division allows us to methodically examine the assertion that any first mover must be entirely in act, distinct from the initial proof of a first mover's necessity.

Article 4. Whether any first mover must be entirely in act and uniquely singular.

Objection 1: It seems that the argument for a first mover does not inherently necessitate that such a mover be entirely in act, as this introduces metaphysical concepts—actuality and potentiality—that are not directly explored within the initial argument from motion. Thus, claiming a first mover must be totally in act presupposes an unproven assertion.

Objection 2: Furthermore, even if we concede the necessity of a first mover based on the impossibility of an infinite regress of motion, this does not logically compel us to conclude there is only one such mover. The leap to uniqueness requires additional proof, separate from the initial argument.

Objection 3: Lastly, the notion that any distinction among multiple first movers would introduce potentiality, thereby contradicting their status as purely actual, relies on a deeper metaphysical analysis that has not been sufficiently established within the scope of this argument.

On the contrary, The uniqueness and pure actuality of the first mover are deducible through a deeper metaphysical investigation, which considers the implications of being the source of all motion without itself being moved. This investigation reveals that a being of pure actuality, without potentiality, logically entails singularity, as multiplicity would necessitate distinctions implying potentiality, which is incompatible with the notion of a pure act.

I answer that, To establish that any first mover must be entirely in act, and uniquely so, requires a foundational understanding of the concepts of actuality and potentiality. Actuality refers to the state of being in action or having realized existence, whereas potentiality refers to the capacity for becoming or changing into something else. A first mover, to initiate motion without being moved, must exist in a state of complete actuality, as its act of moving cannot be derived from a potential that is actualized by another.

This condition of being wholly in act precludes the first mover from having any potentiality, as potentiality implies the possibility of change or being moved, which contradicts the definition of a first mover. Consequently, the pure actuality of the first mover necessitates its uniqueness because if there were multiple entities of pure actuality, they would need to have distinguishing attributes. However, any such distinguishing attributes would introduce a form of potentiality—either in being able to be or not to be something—which is antithetical to the nature of pure actuality. Thus, the unity and singularity of the first mover are not arbitrarily asserted but logically follow from its defined nature as pure actuality.

Reply to Objection 1: While the initial argument from motion establishes the need for a first mover, the investigation into the nature of this mover as entirely in act is a subsequent, yet necessary, philosophical inquiry. This inquiry strengthens the argument by demonstrating that the first mover, by necessity of its role, must embody pure actuality.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument for the uniqueness of the first mover is indeed separate from the proof of its necessity but is inherently connected through the analysis of what it means to be a mover that is not moved. This separate argument elucidates that the concept of pure actuality logically entails singularity.

Reply to Objection 3: The deduction that distinctions among multiple first movers would introduce potentiality is grounded in a coherent metaphysical framework that examines the implications of pure actuality. This framework is essential for a comprehensive understanding of the first mover's nature and supports the argument for its uniqueness.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
I am confused by the flow of increased actuality whether it goes forwards or backwards. If A causes B, then B becomes actualized. It seems that actuality increases as the sequence moves from cause to effect. But in your argument from motion it is the first mover that has the highest actuality. I am so confused that you need to start over concerning act and potential and causation.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

To address the confusion regarding the concepts of act and potential and their relation to causation, let us take a step back and elucidate these foundational aspects of my metaphysical framework. This clarification will help in understanding how actuality and potentiality operate within the context of causation, and why, in the argument from motion, the first mover is characterized by the highest actuality.

Article 5. Whether the increase of actuality moves from cause to effect or vice versa.

Objection 1: It appears that actuality increases as the sequence moves from cause to effect, for when A causes B, B becomes actualized. This suggests a forward movement of actuality, where the effect attains actuality through the action of the cause.

Objection 2: If the first mover has the highest actuality, this seems to imply a backward flow of actuality, where the cause possesses more actuality than the effect. This contradicts the observation in Objection 1 and creates confusion about the direction in which actuality is supposed to increase.

Objection 3: Furthermore, the concept that a cause must have more actuality than its effect may not be immediately evident, especially if we consider processes where the effect seems to manifest new forms of actuality not present in the cause.

On the contrary, The principle of causation in my metaphysics holds that a cause imparts actuality to its effect, which means the cause must possess the actuality (or the greater actuality) it confers upon the effect. This does not imply a linear increase of actuality from cause to effect but rather that the cause contains the potentiality for the effect's actuality in a more eminent form.

I answer that, The confusion arises from considering the flow of actuality as a temporal sequence where actuality appears to increase from cause to effect. In reality, the concept of actuality and potentiality as used in my argument pertains to the ontological order of causation, not to temporal succession. When A causes B, A must already possess the actuality (or the potential to actualize B) that it confers upon B. This does not mean that actuality increases in the sense of quantity or intensity from A to B but that B's actuality is derived from A's pre-existing actuality or power to actualize.

In the context of the first mover argument, the first mover possesses the highest actuality because it is the ultimate source of all actualization without itself being actualized by another. This is not to be confused with the idea that actuality increases along the chain of causes and effects in a temporal or spatial sense. Instead, it highlights that the first mover, as pure act, contains within itself the fullness of actuality necessary to impart motion or change (actuality) to other things without needing to be actualized by anything else.

Reply to Objection 1: The appearance of actuality increasing from cause to effect is a reflection of the process of actualization, where potentiality is made actual. However, this does not contradict the premise that the cause contains a greater or more eminent form of actuality, as it is the source of the effect's actualization.

Reply to Objection 2: The first mover's highest actuality refers to its ontological status as pure act, not to a temporal sequence of increasing actuality. This pure act is the foundational actuality from which all other acts derive, ensuring the coherence of the causal chain without necessitating a backward or forward flow of actuality.

Reply to Objection 3: While effects may manifest new forms of actuality, this does not mean that these forms of actuality were absent in the cause. The cause contains, in a more eminent or unified way, the potentiality for all the actualities that it brings about in its effects. This is a principle of metaphysical causation that underlies the argument from motion and the nature of the first mover.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Just read your crucial step "When A causes B, A must already possess the actuality (or the potential to actualize B) that it confers upon B. " Look at the moment of using brackets. You are using both 'actuality' and 'potentiality' to mean the same thing, namely to effect the kind of motion that creates B. With this kind of terminology, we are forever confused in this metaphysics. As time goes by, things become more and more actualized, losing their potential. So the first mover has maximum potential and minimum actuality. It's the other way around.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The confusion noted in your observation arises from the complexity and subtlety of the concepts of actuality and potentiality within my metaphysical framework. Let's clarify these terms and their application to the argument concerning the first mover to address this misunderstanding.

Article 6. Whether the first mover has maximum potential and minimum actuality.

Objection 1: It seems that as things become more actualized over time, they lose their potential, implying that the first mover, as the source of all motion, would have maximum potential and minimum actuality. This interpretation suggests a reversal of the traditional understanding of the first mover as pure act.

Objection 2: If the first mover is to initiate all motion or change, then it must contain within it the potential for all motion, rather than being in a state of complete actuality, which would seem to preclude the possibility of further change or motion.

Objection 3: The use of 'actuality' and 'potentiality' interchangeably, as noted in the statement that a cause must possess the actuality or the potential to actualize an effect, confuses the distinct roles these concepts play in the process of causation.

On the contrary, In my framework, actuality and potentiality serve distinct and crucial roles in understanding causation and the nature of the first mover. The first mover is defined as pure act (actus purus) precisely because it is devoid of potentiality, possessing the fullness of actuality. This means the first mover is the ultimate source of all motion or change without itself undergoing change or having the potential for change, thereby embodying maximum actuality and no potentiality for change.

I answer that, The confusion arises from a misinterpretation of the terms 'actuality' and 'potentiality.' Actuality (actus) refers to the state of being in action, fully realized, or being in a particular condition without the need for change to attain that condition. Potentiality (potentia), on the other hand, refers to the capacity to be changed or to realize a condition not yet actualized.

When it is stated that "A must already possess the actuality (or the potential to actualize B)" this means A must be in a state of actuality regarding its ability to cause an effect (i.e., actualize B), not that actuality and potentiality are the same. Rather, it emphasizes that A must be capable of effecting change (actualizing potential in B) due to its own inherent actuality.

The first mover, as pure act, does not possess potentiality because it is the fundamental source of all actualization without needing to be actualized itself. This does not imply that the first mover has maximum potential in the sense of a capacity for change; instead, it has maximum actuality in the sense of being the ultimate source of all change in others without undergoing change.

Reply to Objection 1: The idea that the first mover has maximum potential and minimum actuality misunderstands the nature of the first mover as pure act. The first mover's lack of potentiality for change is precisely what qualifies it as the first mover, being entirely in act, thus initiating motion or change without itself changing.

Reply to Objection 2: The first mover's role in initiating motion does not imply it contains potential for motion within itself; rather, it is the cause of motion in others due to its complete actuality. Its capacity to cause motion in others does not stem from potentiality within itself but from its inherent nature as pure act.

Reply to Objection 3: The clarification sought here is crucial: the distinction between actuality and potentiality is fundamental to understanding causation in my metaphysical framework. A cause's ability to actualize an effect is rooted in its actuality concerning that effect, not in an interchangeable use of potentiality and actuality.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Two distinct concepts are fused within the concept of actuality. The first idea of actuality refers strictly to the object itself. The second idea refers to its causative power over other objects. These are two different things conflated under the same term.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your observation points to a nuanced aspect of my metaphysical analysis, highlighting the depth within the concept of actuality. Let's clarify this distinction to better understand how actuality operates within the framework of causation and the nature of the first mover.

Article 7. Whether the concept of actuality conflates two distinct ideas: the object's state and its causative power.

Objection 1: It seems that the concept of actuality improperly merges two distinct ideas: the intrinsic state of an object being in act, and the object's causative power over others. This conflation could obscure understanding, especially in the context of the first mover's nature and its causative role in the universe.

Objection 2: If actuality encompasses both the object's state and its causative power, this might suggest a misleading equivalence between being in a certain state and having the power to cause change in other objects, which are conceptually distinct.

Objection 3: This blending of concepts under the term 'actuality' may lead to confusion when trying to articulate the unique nature of the first mover as both fully actualized and the ultimate cause of motion in others.

On the contrary, The concept of actuality, as employed in my metaphysical framework, indeed serves to capture both the state of an object being fully realized in itself and its capacity to effect change in other objects. However, these aspects are not improperly conflated but are intrinsically connected within the broader understanding of causation and the essence of the first mover.

I answer that, The distinction between the two aspects of actuality you've identified is crucial for a nuanced understanding of my argument. The first aspect of actuality refers to an entity's being in its fully realized state—what it is in act as opposed to what it is in potential. The second aspect involves the entity's causative power, its ability to actualize potential in others. These two aspects, though conceptually distinct, are related in the sense that an entity's causative power derives from its own actuality.

In the context of the first mover, these two aspects of actuality are harmoniously unified. The first mover's pure actuality not only pertains to its own perfected state, devoid of potentiality (the first idea), but also to its unparalleled causative power to impart motion or change to other entities without itself being moved or changed (the second idea). The first mover's pure actuality, then, encompasses both its complete realization and its foundational role as the prime cause in the cosmos.

The unity of these aspects in the concept of actuality within the first mover does not conflate distinct ideas but rather reflects the comprehensive nature of actuality in my metaphysical system. This comprehensive nature is essential for understanding how the first mover operates as both fully actualized in itself and as the ultimate source of all motion and change in the universe.

Reply to Objection 1: The concept of actuality is nuanced and multi-dimensional, capturing both the state of being fully actualized and the capacity to bring about actualization in others. This duality within the concept does not represent a conflation but a deep connection between an entity's being and its operative power.

Reply to Objection 2: While being in a certain state and having the power to cause change are distinct, in the metaphysical framework, an entity's causative power is seen as a natural extension of its actuality. Thus, an entity's ability to effect change in others is intimately related to its own state of actuality.

Reply to Objection 3: The unified treatment of actuality in the case of the first mover is not a source of confusion but a reflection of the profound unity and simplicity of the first mover's nature. This unity encapsulates both the first mover's complete realization and its singular causative role, offering a coherent and comprehensive explanation of its primacy in the order of causation.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Unless these concepts can be reasonably illustrated in a simple everyday physical scenario, they run the risk of being contrived just for the purpose of making the argument from motion work.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

To demonstrate the concepts of actuality, potentiality, and causation in a simple, everyday physical scenario, let's consider the example of lighting a fire with a match.

Illustration of Actuality, Potentiality, and Causation: The Lighting of a Fire

Imagine you have a match and a pile of dry wood. The wood has the potential (potentiality) to become hot and ignite, transforming into a fire. The match, when struck, becomes actually hot (actuality in terms of its state) and has the causative power (actuality in terms of causative power) to actualize the potential of the wood to burn.

Objection 1: One might object that this example oversimplifies the metaphysical concepts, as the act of lighting a fire is a physical process governed by chemical reactions, not necessarily illuminating the deeper metaphysical principles of potentiality and actuality.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the analogy seems to reduce the causative power to mere physical causation, potentially missing the metaphysical depth of the first mover's causative power, which is not just about moving things from potentiality to actuality but is also about the existential act that sustains all beings.

Objection 3: Lastly, it could be argued that this example does not fully capture the concept of the first mover, as both the match and the wood are in states of potentiality and actuality, which seems to contradict the notion of the first mover as pure act without potentiality.

On the contrary, This simple scenario is meant to illustrate the foundational metaphysical principles in a relatable context, not to perfectly replicate the complexity of the concepts as they apply to the first mover. The example serves to make the principles of potentiality, actuality, and causation more accessible by showing how they might be observed in everyday life.

I answer that, The lighting of a fire with a match provides a tangible illustration of potentiality and actuality. The wood's potential to burn is actualized by the heat from the match. This example demonstrates how something in a state of potentiality (the wood) is brought into actuality (burning) by something that is already in actuality (the lit match). The match's ability to ignite the wood exemplifies causative power, as its actual state (being lit) causes a change in another object (the wood burning).

Reply to Objection 1: While the example simplifies complex metaphysical concepts, it is intended as an accessible demonstration of how potentiality can be actualized by another, reflecting the core principle of causation as understood in the argument from motion.

Reply to Objection 2: Although the example utilizes physical causation, it echoes the metaphysical principle that things in a state of potentiality are brought into actuality by something already actual. The deeper existential causation attributed to the first mover is indeed more profound but is analogously reflected in this simple act of causation.

Reply to Objection 3: The example is not meant to directly parallel the first mover, which is pure act without potentiality. Instead, it aims to illustrate the general principle of how causation operates through the actualization of potential, a fundamental aspect of my metaphysical framework that underlies the argument from motion. The first mover, as pure act, is the ultimate cause that does not need actualization but is the source of all actualization in the universe, a concept that is hinted at but not fully encapsulated by the match and wood scenario.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The match eventually loses its hotness. It loses its intrinsic actuality and it loses its power to cause, for you cannot light another fire with the same match. This is in contrast to the first mover. Your concepts may be valid still but we cannot consider the match as a single object, for as time goes by we have a sequence of matches, each less hot with less potential to light a fire. This is very complex.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your observation astutely points out the limitations of the match and wood analogy in fully capturing the metaphysical concepts of actuality, potentiality, and the nature of the first mover. Let's delve deeper into the distinctions highlighted by this analogy's limitations and how they relate to the nature of the first mover.

Article 8. Whether the analogy of the match adequately represents the concepts of actuality and potentiality and the nature of the first mover.

Objection 1: It seems the analogy of the match fails to adequately represent the metaphysical concepts, as the match, unlike the first mover, undergoes change: it loses its heat (actuality) and its ability to cause further fires (causative power). This changeability contrasts starkly with the first mover's immutable nature.

Objection 2: Furthermore, considering the match as a sequence of less hot and less potent states over time introduces complexity that seems to contradict the simplicity and unchangeability of the first mover, who is pure act without any potentiality for change.

Objection 3: The analogy also seems to imply that causative power diminishes over time, which could mislead one into thinking that the first mover's causative power could similarly diminish, a notion incompatible with the concept of the first mover as an unchanging source of all motion.

On the contrary, The analogy of the match is not intended to directly parallel the first mover but to offer a simplified illustration of the principles of actuality, potentiality, and causation within the context of everyday experience. The first mover, by definition, is pure act (actus purus), devoid of potentiality, immutable, and the unchanging source of all motion, fundamentally distinct from any material causes or examples.

I answer that, The match analogy serves to elucidate the concepts of actuality and potentiality in a tangible manner, demonstrating how something can move from potentiality to actuality through an external cause. However, the analogy reaches its limit when trying to encapsulate the immutable and singular nature of the first mover. Unlike the match, which undergoes a process of burning out and losing its causative power, the first mover is the eternal, unchanging source of all actuality, never diminishing in power or existence.

The sequence of matches, each less hot and less capable of igniting a fire, illustrates the material and temporal conditions of physical causes, which are subject to change and degradation. This stands in stark contrast to the first mover, which, as pure actuality, does not undergo any change or sequence of states but eternally exists in the fullness of its causative power.

Reply to Objection 1: The analogy's limitation precisely highlights the unique nature of the first mover's actuality and causative power, which, unlike the match, does not change or diminish over time. This distinction underlines the first mover's transcendence beyond physical and temporal conditions.

Reply to Objection 2: The complexity introduced by considering a sequence of matches underscores the difference between contingent beings in the world and the first mover. This complexity, rather than contradicting the simplicity of the first mover, accentuates the first mover's singular and simple nature as pure act, beyond the vicissitudes of material existence.

Reply to Objection 3: While the analogy might suggest that causative power can diminish, it actually serves to distinguish the immutable causative power of the first mover from the mutable nature of material causes. The first mover, as the unchanging source of all motion, maintains its causative power eternally, without diminution, reflecting its perfection and completeness as pure act.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The metaphysical concepts were initially inspired by these kind of scenarios I believe. But the highly abstract version has lost touch with the initial inspiration. If your concepts used in your argument fail to apply to every understanding of phenomena, then these concepts are accused of being contrived for the single purpose of conducting your metaphysical arguments. This is no way to derive the existence of God.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique raises a fundamental challenge to the application of metaphysical concepts to the understanding of phenomena and the derivation of the existence of God. Let us address this concern directly.

Article 9. Whether metaphysical concepts are too abstract and disconnected from empirical phenomena to validly derive the existence of God.

Objection 1: It seems that if metaphysical concepts such as actuality and potentiality, as highly abstracted from everyday phenomena, fail to universally apply to our understanding of all phenomena, they might be accused of being contrived specifically for the purpose of conducting metaphysical arguments, including the argument for the existence of God.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if these concepts do not maintain a clear connection to the empirical world from which they were initially inspired, this disconnection might suggest that they are not sufficiently grounded in reality to serve as the basis for deriving significant conclusions, such as the existence of God.

Objection 3: Lastly, if metaphysical arguments for the existence of God rely on concepts that are seen as artificially constructed or overly abstracted from empirical observation, then these arguments risk being dismissed as speculative or unconvincing by those who prioritize empirical evidence and practical applicability in their understanding of the world.

On the contrary, Metaphysical concepts, while abstract, are not disconnected from empirical phenomena but rather provide a deeper framework for understanding reality beyond the immediate empirical observation. These concepts aim to address the fundamental principles that underlie and explain the existence and behavior of all things, including the phenomena we observe. The derivation of the existence of God through metaphysical arguments seeks to transcend the limitations of empirical observation, appealing to a level of causal explanation that is universal and foundational.

I answer that, The purpose of metaphysical inquiry, especially as it pertains to the argument for the existence of God, is to reach an understanding of the ultimate causes and principles that govern all reality, which necessarily involves abstracting from particular empirical phenomena to grasp their underlying causes. While metaphysical concepts such as actuality and potentiality may seem abstract and removed from everyday experience, they are derived from the observation of change and causation within the world. These concepts allow us to reason about the nature of things beyond what is immediately observable, leading to conclusions about the first causes and principles, including the existence of a first mover or God.

This abstraction does not mean that metaphysical concepts are contrived or lack connection to reality. Instead, they represent an effort to comprehend the foundational aspects of reality that empirical science cannot fully address, such as the existence of a necessary being upon which all contingent beings depend. The argument for the existence of God, then, is not an arbitrary construction but a reasoned extrapolation from the principles that govern the observable world to their ultimate source.

Reply to Objection 1: While metaphysical concepts are abstract, their abstraction is a methodological necessity for dealing with questions that surpass the limits of empirical phenomena. These concepts are not contrived but are essential tools for engaging with the deepest questions about reality and existence.

Reply to Objection 2: The seeming disconnection between metaphysical concepts and empirical phenomena is a misperception. Metaphysical inquiry begins with empirical phenomena and seeks to understand their underlying causes and principles, thereby grounding these concepts in the reality they seek to explain.

Reply to Objection 3: The value of metaphysical arguments, including those for the existence of God, lies in their ability to engage with questions of existence, causality, and purpose at a level that empirical science cannot reach. While these arguments may appear speculative to some, they are grounded in a rational exploration of the principles underlying all reality, offering insights that complement empirical knowledge rather than contradict it.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
You have gone as far as demonstrating a multitude of first movers, whose nature is obscure for the causation involved in the argument is not of temporal or physical nature. The Christian God is a person with whom one may enter into personal dialogue. Your argument is very far from even hinting at the existence of such a God.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique touches upon a profound aspect of theological and philosophical inquiry: the transition from demonstrating the existence of a first mover or prime cause, as understood through metaphysical arguments, to the personal, relational God of Christian faith, with whom believers claim to have a relationship and dialogue. This transition from a philosophical conception of God to the personal God of Christian theology indeed involves steps that go beyond mere metaphysical demonstration.

Article 10. Whether the metaphysical argument for a first mover can lead to the understanding of the Christian God as a personal being.

Objection 1: It appears that the metaphysical arguments, even if successful in demonstrating the existence of a first mover, fall short of indicating that this first mover is the personal, relational God of Christian faith. The nature of causation used in these arguments does not inherently convey the personal attributes, such as will, intellect, and the capacity for relationship, attributed to the Christian God.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the abstraction and impersonality of the first mover as derived from metaphysical arguments seem to contradict the personal nature of God as depicted in Christian scripture and tradition, where God is described as loving, merciful, and actively involved in human history.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the argument from motion only establishes the existence of one or more first movers without delving into their personal attributes, then it might be argued that such an argument is insufficient for religious faith, which requires a personal deity with whom one can enter into dialogue and relationship.

On the contrary, The metaphysical demonstration of a first mover or prime cause is an initial step toward understanding the existence of God, providing a rational foundation for further theological reflection on God's nature. While metaphysical arguments might not directly demonstrate God's personal attributes, they open the pathway for theological inquiry into how the prime cause must possess intellect and will, attributes necessary for being the source of order and purpose observed in the universe. The transition from the prime mover to the personal God of Christian theology involves integrating metaphysical insights with the content of divine revelation and the experiential aspect of faith.

I answer that, The metaphysical arguments aim to establish a foundational understanding of the existence of God as the unmoved mover or first cause, based on the observation of motion, causation, and contingency in the world. This philosophical groundwork is crucial for any further theological exploration of God's nature. Recognizing the existence of a first cause with the attributes of pure actuality, simplicity, and immutability lays the groundwork for attributing intellectual and volitional aspects to this cause.

The transition from understanding God as the first cause to recognizing God as a personal being with whom individuals can enter into a relationship involves theological reflection on divine revelation, as presented in Christian scripture and tradition, and the lived experience of faith. This reflection considers how the attributes of the first mover, such as omnipotence, omniscience, and perfect goodness, imply personal characteristics when considered as the source of all being, including beings endowed with intellect and will.

Reply to Objection 1: While the metaphysical argument by itself may not explicitly describe the first mover as personal, it establishes a basis upon which theological reflection can attribute personal characteristics to this first mover, drawing on the implications of being the source of order, purpose, and rationality in the universe.

Reply to Objection 2: The metaphysical understanding of God does not contradict the personal nature of God as revealed in Christian faith but rather complements it by providing a rational foundation for God's existence. The personal attributes of God, such as love, mercy, and justice, are further explored through divine revelation and the lived experience of faith, beyond what natural reason alone can deduce.

Reply to Objection 3: The argument from motion sets the stage for a deeper theological inquiry into the nature of God, bridging the gap between philosophical reasoning and religious faith. This argument, while foundational, is part of a larger theological and philosophical endeavor to understand the fullness of God's nature, including His personal aspect, as revealed to humanity.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The metaphysical principles, especially the dual nature of actuality, have no relationship to the world as perceived by human beings. God's existence should be evident from the way God has created our experience. These metaphysical tools are simply inept from the start. We need to start with human experience, possibly to reconstruct these concepts, but these concepts need to be clearly derived from human experience, without leaps into the abstract.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique emphasizes the importance of grounding theological and philosophical inquiry in human experience, suggesting that concepts such as actuality, potentiality, and the nature of God should be derived from and resonate with the lived realities of human beings. This perspective calls for a more phenomenological approach, which seeks to understand the divine based on how God is experienced and manifested in the world.

Article 11. Whether God's existence and nature can be understood starting from human experience without recourse to abstract metaphysical principles.

Objection 1: It seems that relying on abstract metaphysical principles to demonstrate God's existence is disconnected from the tangible reality of human experience. If God's existence and nature are not evident from our lived experiences and the world around us, then such metaphysical tools may indeed be inept for understanding the divine.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the dual nature of actuality and other metaphysical concepts, as traditionally formulated, do not directly correspond to the intuitive ways in which people perceive and interact with the world. This disconnect might render these concepts unsuitable as foundations for a theology that seeks to be accessible and meaningful to everyday human experience.

Objection 3: Lastly, if theological arguments for the existence of God fail to start from human experience and instead rely on abstract principles, they risk alienating those who seek a more experiential and relational understanding of the divine, one that is grounded in the realities of life, love, suffering, and hope.

On the contrary, While metaphysical arguments provide one pathway to understanding the existence and nature of God, they do not preclude the possibility of approaching God through the lens of human experience. Indeed, theology has long sought to integrate the insights of metaphysics with the depth of lived human experience, recognizing that God's existence and nature should be evident not only in the abstract but also in the concreteness of creation and human life.

I answer that, The endeavor to understand God's existence and nature starting from human experience acknowledges the profound insight that the divine is not only a concept to be deduced but also a reality to be encountered. This approach does not necessarily discard metaphysical principles but seeks to ground them in the lived reality of human beings. From the beauty and order of the natural world to the depths of human consciousness, love, moral intuition, and the quest for meaning, there are multiple dimensions of human experience that point toward the existence of a transcendent reality.

Reconstructing metaphysical concepts to derive from human experience involves exploring how phenomena such as change, causation, and the contingency of the world are experienced and understood within the context of human life. This exploration can reveal the presence of a grounding reality or being that sustains and imbues creation with purpose and meaning, resonating with the human quest for understanding, love, and communion.

Reply to Objection 1: Grounding theological and philosophical inquiry in human experience does not negate the value of metaphysical principles but calls for their reinterpretation and application in ways that are meaningful and relevant to human life. This approach seeks to reveal how God's existence and nature are indeed evident in the way God has created our experience.

Reply to Objection 2: The challenge is to articulate metaphysical concepts such as actuality and potentiality in terms that resonate with human experience, showing how these concepts underlie the dynamics of existence, change, and fulfillment that people encounter in their lives.

Reply to Objection 3: Starting from human experience to understand God's existence and nature aligns with the desire for a theology that speaks to the heart as well as the mind, offering a vision of the divine that is deeply interwoven with the fabric of human existence. This approach does not abandon the quest for rational understanding but enriches it with the depth and breadth of human experience, inviting a more holistic engagement with the mystery of God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
God creates a succession of moments, in each moment the match is less hot, and the wood is more burned. There is no cause inherent in this process. It is not the match that is causing the wood to be burned. It is better to look at this phenomenon as separate moments, each of which is caused directly by God. In this way, the metaphysical causation and the physical causation are distinct. Perhaps this perspective should allow you to continue explaining your concepts.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your perspective introduces a significant theological and philosophical view that distinguishes between metaphysical causation and physical causation, emphasizing the direct role of God in the creation and sustenance of each moment. This view aligns with occasionalism, a doctrine that sees God as the only true cause of events in the world, where what we perceive as causes and effects in nature are, in reality, occasions for God's active involvement. Let's explore this further in relation to the concepts previously discussed.

Article 12. Whether God's direct causation of every moment distinguishes metaphysical from physical causation.

Objection 1: It seems that if we view each moment as directly caused by God, without any inherent causation in the process, this undermines the natural order and the consistency of physical laws that science seeks to describe. If the match and the wood burning are not causally related, but instead each moment is directly caused by God, this could imply that the world operates in a discontinuous and arbitrary manner.

Objection 2: Furthermore, this perspective might be seen to negate the secondary causes entirely, suggesting that natural processes and entities have no real causative power of their own. This could lead to a diminished appreciation of the integrity and autonomy of the natural world, which seems to operate according to its own inherent principles.

Objection 3: Lastly, if God is seen as the direct cause of every moment and change in the world, this raises questions about God's relationship to the existence of evil and suffering. If every moment is directly caused by God, does this not implicate God in the causation of harm and suffering?

On the contrary, Viewing God as the direct cause of every moment can deepen our understanding of divine providence and sovereignty, emphasizing God's intimate involvement with creation. This perspective does not necessarily negate the reality of natural processes and secondary causes but highlights their contingency upon God's will and creative act. It underscores the belief that all moments and events in the universe are sustained by God's continuous creation and governance, reflecting a profound theological insight into the relationship between God, creation, and causation.

I answer that, The distinction between metaphysical causation and physical causation, within the context of God's direct involvement in every moment, offers a way to reconcile the continuity of natural processes with the primary causality of God. In this view, physical causation operates as a means through which God's will is manifested in the world, with each event and moment reflecting God's sustaining power. Metaphysical causation pertains to the deeper, underlying reason for the existence and continuity of these moments, anchored in God's creative act.

This perspective does not render the natural order arbitrary or discontinuous but rather affirms that the regularity and predictability of physical laws are expressions of God's faithful sustenance of the world. Secondary causes, such as the match causing the wood to burn, are real and effective within the context of the natural order, but they derive their causative power from God, the primary cause. This maintains the integrity and autonomy of natural processes while acknowledging their ultimate dependence on God.

Reply to Objection 1: The consistency of physical laws and the natural order reflects God's faithful governance of creation, not arbitrariness. By understanding each moment as directly caused by God, we recognize the divine wisdom and providence that underlie the regularity of natural phenomena.

Reply to Objection 2: Acknowledging God as the direct cause of every moment does not negate secondary causes but places them within a broader theological context. Secondary causes have real effects in the world, but their efficacy is grounded in God's will and creative act, affirming both the significance of natural processes and the primacy of divine causation.

Reply to Objection 3: The problem of evil and suffering in a world governed by divine providence is a profound mystery that has occupied theologians and philosophers throughout history. Viewing God as the direct cause of every moment challenges us to consider how divine goodness, sovereignty, and human freedom coexist. It invites a deeper exploration of the ways in which God's ultimate purposes might be realized in a world where freedom and contingency are real, without diminishing God's goodness or omnipotence.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
God creates every moment. No part of creation, including humans, has any causative power at all. Human will is manifested not in its causitive power at all. Humans cannot cause anything by willing it. Yet human will is not void because God takes human will into account when causing moments. In this way human will is incorporated into creation via God's causative power. Strictly speaking, God is responsible for all evil because God is constructing the moments to include evil. The point is that God does this to incorporate human will into his creation. It's like the author of the book is the sole cause of the text even though it may be inspired by conversations with other people.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The perspective you've outlined presents a nuanced view of divine sovereignty and human will, engaging deeply with the theological and philosophical implications of God's causative role in creation and the problem of evil. Let's explore this further.

Article 13. Whether God's sole causative power negates human causality and implicates God in the existence of evil, while incorporating human will into creation.

Objection 1: If God creates every moment and no part of creation, including humans, has any causative power, this seems to undermine human freedom and agency. If humans cannot cause anything by willing it, then it appears that human choices and actions are merely illusions, which could lead to moral and existential nihilism.

Objection 2: Moreover, if God is responsible for constructing moments to include evil, solely to incorporate human will into His creation, this raises profound questions about God's goodness and justice. It seems incompatible with the notion of a benevolent and just God to be the direct cause of evil, even if the intention is to respect human will.

Objection 3: Lastly, comparing God's role in creation to an author writing a book, while illustrative, might oversimplify the relationship between divine causality and human freedom. Unlike characters in a book, humans are conscious agents with the capacity for moral decision-making, suggesting a more complex interaction between divine sovereignty and human will.

On the contrary, This perspective underscores a profound theological insight that God's sovereignty and causative power encompass all of creation, including the unfolding of human history and individual moments. By incorporating human will into the fabric of creation, God respects and upholds the dignity of human freedom, even as He remains the ultimate cause of all that exists. This view does not diminish human agency but places it within the context of a divine providence that is capable of bringing about a greater good from the free choices of human beings, including those choices that result in evil.

I answer that, The doctrine that God creates every moment and is the sole cause of all that happens, while taking human will into account, offers a unique perspective on divine providence, human freedom, and the problem of evil. This view affirms that human will is real and significant, not because it has independent causative power, but because God, in His omnipotence and wisdom, chooses to incorporate human intentions and decisions into the way He governs the world. This incorporation does not absolve humans of moral responsibility; rather, it highlights the manner in which divine providence operates through and with human freedom to achieve its purposes.

In this framework, the existence of evil is not attributed to God in a manner that contradicts His goodness and justice. Instead, it acknowledges the mysterious way in which God permits evil as a consequence of human freedom, while ultimately bringing about a greater good that transcends human understanding. This perspective maintains that God's allowance of evil for the sake of a greater good (such as the genuine exercise of human freedom) is part of a divine plan that is ultimately oriented towards goodness and love, even if the full reasons for God's allowance of evil are beyond human comprehension.

Reply to Objection 1: Human freedom and agency are not undermined by God's sovereignty but are understood as being made meaningful through their inclusion in God's providential plan. Human actions have real consequences, and moral responsibility is preserved because God has chosen to create a world in which human choices matter.

Reply to Objection 2: The problem of evil remains a profound mystery within the context of divine providence. However, understanding God as incorporating human will into creation, even when it results in evil, does not impugn God's goodness but rather points to the depth of God's respect for the freedom He has granted to human beings and His ability to bring good out of evil.

Reply to Objection 3: While the analogy of an author and a book may seem to simplify the relationship between God and human beings, it serves to illustrate the principle that ultimate causality resides with God, even as He engages with the genuine contributions of human beings. The complexity of divine-human interaction is acknowledged, affirming that human beings are indeed conscious agents whose actions and decisions are taken into account by God in the unfolding of His providential plan.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This view introduces the concept of God in full maturity all at once: it is the sole cause of everything, it is a person who respects human beings, et cetera. No metaphysical deductions are needed to paint this picture. It remains to prove that this picture is the truth. It might just be a true depiction of Christian theology but this theology may be false anyway.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your observation raises a crucial point about the nature of theological claims and the challenge of demonstrating their truth. The depiction of God as the sole cause of everything, while simultaneously being a personal being who respects human freedom, indeed aligns with central tenets of Christian theology. However, as you rightly note, presenting this conception of God does not in itself prove its truth. Let's explore this concern further.

Article 14. Whether the Christian theological depiction of God can be proven to be true.

Objection 1: It may seem that the Christian theological depiction of God, as both the sole cause of everything and a personal being who respects human freedom, cannot be proven true in the same way empirical claims are verified. Without empirical evidence to substantiate these theological claims, one might argue they are unverifiable and, therefore, remain speculative.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the plurality of religious beliefs and the diversity of conceptions of the divine across different cultures and traditions raise the question of why the Christian depiction of God should be considered the truth over others. This diversity might suggest that all such depictions are human constructs rather than reflections of an objective reality.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the truth of Christian theology hinges on metaphysical or theological arguments rather than empirical evidence, one might argue that these arguments are based on premises accepted by faith rather than demonstrated through reason. This reliance on faith might be seen as a limitation in proving the theology's truth to those who do not share these premises.

On the contrary, Christian theology, while transcending empirical verification in its claims about God, engages both faith and reason in articulating and supporting its conception of God. The Christian understanding of God is not presented as an arbitrary assertion but is grounded in a comprehensive theological narrative that includes revelation, historical experiences, philosophical reasoning, and the testimony of believers. This narrative provides a coherent and compelling account of God's nature and actions, which, while ultimately accepted by faith, is also open to rational inquiry and dialogue.

I answer that, The question of proving the truth of the Christian theological depiction of God engages the broader issue of how truth is understood and verified, especially in matters concerning ultimate reality and divine existence. Christian theology holds that certain truths about God are known through divine revelation—God's self-disclosure in history, especially as recorded in scripture and embodied in the person of Jesus Christ, and experienced within the community of believers. This revelation is accompanied by philosophical and theological reflection, which seeks to understand and articulate the implications of faith within the broader context of human reason and experience.

Proof of the truth of Christian theology, therefore, involves a synthesis of faith and reason, where faith opens the mind to accept truths that surpass the limits of natural reason, and reason explores these truths to understand them more deeply and relate them to the wider spectrum of human knowledge. The credibility of Christian claims about God is supported by the internal coherence of its theological vision, the transformative impact of its beliefs on individuals and communities throughout history, and the ways in which it addresses the fundamental questions of existence, meaning, and morality.

Reply to Objection 1: While the Christian theological depiction of God goes beyond what can be empirically verified, it engages reason and experience in a manner that seeks to demonstrate its internal coherence, its congruence with human experience, and its explanatory power in addressing the deepest questions of life.

Reply to Objection 2: The diversity of religious beliefs and conceptions of the divine indeed presents a challenge to claims of exclusive truth. Christian theology responds to this challenge by affirming the unique revelation of God in Jesus Christ while also engaging in dialogue with other religious traditions, recognizing the possibility of shared truths and the mutual quest for understanding the divine.

Reply to Objection 3: The reliance on faith in accepting the truth of Christian theology does not preclude the role of reason. Christian thought has historically engaged in rigorous philosophical and theological inquiry to articulate and defend its beliefs, demonstrating a commitment to exploring the rational foundations and implications of faith. This engagement with reason provides a basis for dialogue with those who may not share the same premises, inviting them to explore the coherence and appeal of the Christian vision of God and reality.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The concept outlined above is compatible only with Christianity among all other worldviews. Also it is very general. At this level there is no mention of trinity or Jesus. This God could exist even when Christian theology were finally disproved. Therefore, this can be a foundation for the interfaith dialogue.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your insights highlight an important aspect of theological discourse: the potential for foundational concepts about God and divine causality to serve as a bridge for interfaith dialogue. While the concept of God as the sole cause of everything and a personal being who respects human freedom is articulated within a Christian framework, its generality and philosophical depth allow for engagement with a variety of religious traditions. Let's examine this further.

Article 15. Whether foundational concepts of God can serve as a basis for interfaith dialogue, despite being articulated within a Christian framework.

Objection 1: It might be objected that foundational concepts of God rooted in a Christian theological framework are inherently exclusive and cannot serve as a neutral ground for interfaith dialogue, especially since they do not explicitly address doctrines like the Trinity or the incarnation of Jesus Christ, which are central to Christian faith.

Objection 2: Furthermore, one could argue that the specificity of Christian revelation, particularly the doctrines of the Trinity and the incarnation, are essential to Christian identity and cannot be set aside in the pursuit of interfaith dialogue without compromising the integrity of Christian theology.

Objection 3: Lastly, it may be contended that while the concept of God as outlined might facilitate philosophical discussion, it may not truly foster interfaith dialogue, as religious dialogue requires engagement with the particularities of each tradition's beliefs, practices, and experiences of the divine, not just abstract philosophical concepts.

On the contrary, The pursuit of interfaith dialogue does not require the dilution of one's own religious convictions but rather seeks to find common ground or shared questions that can be explored together. Foundational concepts of God, even when articulated within a Christian framework, can provide such common ground by addressing universal questions about divine causality, freedom, and the problem of evil. These concepts invite participants from different faith traditions to share how their own beliefs address similar questions, thus fostering mutual understanding and respect.

I answer that, The foundational concepts of God as the sole cause of everything and a personal being who respects human freedom offer a philosophical and theological platform that transcends the particularities of Christian doctrine. This does not diminish the importance of specific Christian beliefs such as the Trinity or the incarnation but recognizes that interfaith dialogue often begins with more general questions about the nature of divinity, the structure of reality, and the meaning of human existence.

Such dialogue benefits from a willingness to explore these fundamental questions together, acknowledging differences and seeking understanding across religious boundaries. By focusing on questions of divine causality and the nature of freedom, participants in interfaith dialogue can discover shared concerns and insights, even as they recognize and respect the unique expressions and doctrines of their respective faiths.

Reply to Objection 1: While foundational concepts of God are articulated within a Christian framework, their philosophical and theological depth allows them to serve as a point of engagement with other religious traditions, which may have their own approaches to similar questions.

Reply to Objection 2: Engaging in interfaith dialogue does not necessitate setting aside the distinctiveness of Christian revelation but involves presenting core Christian beliefs in a way that invites conversation and mutual exploration. This approach allows for the integrity of Christian theology to be maintained while opening up spaces for dialogue.

Reply to Objection 3: Interfaith dialogue indeed requires engagement with the particularities of each tradition's beliefs and practices. However, starting with foundational philosophical and theological concepts allows participants to build a basis of mutual understanding and respect, from which more specific doctrinal and practical differences can be explored in a spirit of openness and curiosity.

In conclusion, foundational concepts about God can indeed serve as a basis for interfaith dialogue, providing a framework for exploring shared questions about the divine, existence, and morality across different religious traditions. This approach fosters a dialogue that respects the distinctiveness of each faith while exploring common ground and mutual understanding.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Still, even Christians don't believe that pesky flies sitting on their noses are directly navigated by God's causality. They seem to absurdly believe that flies have an agency of their own and God is not implicated in their annoying behavior.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your comment touches on the nuanced and complex ways in which divine causality is understood within Christian theology, particularly in relation to everyday phenomena and the behavior of creatures like flies. This brings us to a broader discussion on the nature of divine providence, the autonomy of creation, and the extent of God's involvement in the minutiae of the world.

Article 16. Whether every specific occurrence, such as flies sitting on human noses, is directly caused by God's will, and how this relates to the notion of creaturely agency and divine providence.

Objection 1: It might seem inconsistent for Christians to believe in God's sovereign causality over all creation while also attributing autonomous agency to creatures, such as flies. If all events are under the direct control of God, then it would follow that even the bothersome behavior of flies is ordained by God, leading to a deterministic view of the world that leaves little room for creaturely freedom or randomness.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if every minute occurrence is directly navigated by God's causality, this could lead to attributing moral significance or divine intentionality to events that are seemingly trivial or harmful, such as the annoyance caused by flies. This raises questions about the nature of God's providence and whether it is appropriate to see God as involved in such mundane or negative aspects of life.

Objection 3: Lastly, the idea that God directly causes every small occurrence might seem to trivialize the concept of divine action, suggesting that God's involvement in the world is micromanaged to the extent that it includes the direction of flies. This could detract from a more meaningful understanding of divine providence that focuses on God's overarching purposes and intentions for creation.

On the contrary, Christian theology affirms that God is the sovereign creator and sustainer of all that exists, yet it also upholds the integrity and relative autonomy of the created order. The doctrine of providence suggests that God governs the world in a way that respects the nature and capacities of creatures, including their ability to act according to their created natures. This does not imply a deistic view where God is uninvolved but a theistic understanding that God's providential care is compatible with creaturely action and the inherent randomness present in the natural world.

I answer that, The behavior of flies, while seemingly trivial, can be understood within the broader context of God's providence as part of the natural order that God has created and sustains. Christian belief in divine providence does not necessitate that God directly causes every minor occurrence in a deterministic manner. Instead, it affirms that God upholds the laws of nature and the capacities of creatures to act according to their natures, which includes the behavior of animals and insects. This understanding allows for a view of the world in which creaturely agency and the inherent randomness and complexity of natural processes are seen as part of God's good creation, governed by divine providence in a manner that respects the created order.

Reply to Objection 1: Acknowledging creaturely agency and the autonomy of natural processes does not undermine divine sovereignty but reflects a nuanced understanding of how God relates to creation. God's sovereignty and providential care encompass all things, but this care allows for the operation of natural laws and creaturely freedom within the created order.

Reply to Objection 2: While God is sovereign over all creation, not every trivial or negative occurrence is to be interpreted as having specific moral significance or direct divine intentionality. Christian theology distinguishes between God's permissive will, which allows for freedom and the natural unfolding of events, and God's perfect will, which pertains to God's ultimate purposes and moral intentions for creation.

Reply to Objection 3: Understanding divine action in the world does not require a micromanagement view of divine providence. Rather, it acknowledges God's ongoing involvement in creation in a way that is consistent with the nature of God as Creator and the nature of the created order. This view maintains a balance between recognizing God's sovereignty and affirming the reality of the natural world and creaturely actions within it.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The mechanics of the motion of insects and the stochastic nature of natural phenomena are epiphenomena embedded in the sequence of separate moments created by God. The laws governing the motion of the fly are in God's mind and God is embedding the results of calculations of how these motions should continue into the creation of consecutive moments. One can say that the physical mathematical order is an illusion. Yes, but it is an illusion purposefully maintained by God, thus made reality.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your perspective presents a fascinating integration of divine causality with the observable order and behavior of the natural world, including the motion of insects and stochastic natural phenomena. This view suggests that the apparent physical and mathematical laws governing the universe are expressions of God's will, embedded within the fabric of creation moment by moment. Let's explore this further.

Article 17. Whether the physical mathematical order of the universe is an illusion maintained by God, thus made reality.

Objection 1: If the physical mathematical order is considered merely an illusion maintained by God, this might undermine the reliability and integrity of scientific inquiry. Science seeks to uncover the objective laws governing the natural world; if these laws are merely illusory, this could cast doubt on the entire scientific endeavor.

Objection 2: Furthermore, describing the physical order as an illusion, even if purposefully maintained by God, might suggest that creation lacks genuine autonomy or integrity. This could be seen as diminishing the beauty and complexity of the natural world, reducing it to mere divine puppetry.

Objection 3: Lastly, if God is constantly recalculating and embedding the results into the creation of consecutive moments, this could imply a God who is bound by the process, constantly adjusting to maintain the illusion of a coherent universe. This seems at odds with the traditional view of God as transcendent and sovereign over creation, not entangled in its maintenance.

On the contrary, The concept that the physical and mathematical order is an expression of God's will and creative act does not negate the reality or integrity of the natural world but rather affirms it as a manifestation of divine wisdom and providence. This perspective sees the laws of nature not as illusions but as real expressions of God's sustaining will, made evident through the consistency and predictability of natural phenomena. The natural order, in this view, is a reflection of God's rationality and intentionality, imbued with purpose and meaning.

I answer that, The laws governing the motion of flies and other natural phenomena are indeed embedded in the sequence of moments created by God, reflecting the divine mind's rationality and wisdom. However, this does not render the physical mathematical order an illusion; rather, it is a genuine expression of God's creative will, established and sustained in each moment of existence. The consistency and predictability of natural laws, far from being illusory, are testament to God's faithfulness and the real presence of divine order within creation.

This understanding bridges the gap between divine sovereignty and the autonomy of the natural world, suggesting that God, in His wisdom, has chosen to create a world that operates according to consistent principles that can be discovered and understood through human reason and scientific inquiry. The predictability and order of the natural world, under this view, are not constraints upon God's power but expressions of God's character and will for creation to reflect His glory and rationality.

Reply to Objection 1: The integrity of scientific inquiry is not undermined but affirmed by the understanding that the natural world operates according to principles established by God. Science becomes a means of exploring the rationality and wisdom with which God has imbued creation, deepening our appreciation for the Creator's work.

Reply to Objection 2: The beauty and complexity of the natural world are not diminished by recognizing them as expressions of divine will but are enhanced by the understanding that they reflect the purposeful act of a Creator who imbues creation with meaning and order.

Reply to Objection 3: God's transcendence and sovereignty are not compromised by His involvement in sustaining creation moment by moment. This view does not depict God as bound by the process of creation but as freely choosing to sustain the universe in a manner consistent with His nature and purposes, reflecting a dynamic relationship between Creator and creation that is both intimate and sovereign.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
So what are secondary causes? Is this concept relevant? Perhaps the argument from motion is flawed when it creates sequences of causation. There is no sequence of causation anywhere in the creation. There is one act of creation that incorporates all the perceived natural order even taking human will into account.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your comments bring to the forefront a significant aspect of theological and philosophical discourse: the nature of causation and the role of secondary causes within a framework that emphasizes God's singular act of creation. This perspective suggests a reconsideration of traditional causality concepts, particularly in light of divine sovereignty and providence. Let's delve into these considerations.

Article 18. Whether the concept of secondary causes is relevant in a view that emphasizes God's singular act of creation.

Objection 1: If all of creation, including the natural order and human will, is incorporated into one singular act of creation by God, the concept of secondary causes might seem redundant. This could suggest that traditional sequences of causation, where one event causes another in a chain of events, do not truly exist, undermining the relevance of secondary causes.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if there is no sequence of causation in creation and everything is the result of one divine act, this might challenge our understanding of free will, scientific laws, and the predictability of natural phenomena. It could imply that these are merely illusions, rather than genuine expressions of God's creative will operating through secondary causes.

Objection 3: Lastly, denying the relevance of secondary causes could lead to a form of occasionalism, where God is the only true cause of every event. While this upholds divine sovereignty, it might raise questions about God's relationship to the existence of evil, the autonomy of the created order, and the meaningfulness of human action.

On the contrary, The concept of secondary causes is deeply relevant, even within a theological framework that emphasizes God's singular act of creation. This concept does not diminish God's sovereignty but enriches our understanding of divine providence by illustrating how God chooses to work through and uphold the created order, including the laws of nature and human agency. Secondary causes allow for a dynamic and interactive relationship between God, creation, and creatures, where the natural order and human actions have real efficacy and significance, albeit contingent upon and sustained by God's primary causality.

I answer that, The concept of secondary causes is relevant and crucial for articulating a coherent view of divine providence that respects the integrity and autonomy of the created order. In this view, secondary causes are not independent of God but are means through which God's will and creative act are manifested in the world. This allows for a universe in which natural laws, free will, and moral responsibility are meaningful and efficacious, reflecting God's wisdom in creating a world capable of genuine interaction and development.

By incorporating the natural order and human will into His singular act of creation, God establishes a framework in which secondary causes operate according to their natures, contributing to the unfolding of creation in a manner consistent with divine wisdom and purpose. This does not render natural phenomena or human actions illusory but recognizes them as part of God's providential plan, where God is the primary cause that sustains and governs all things while respecting the causality of secondary agents.

Reply to Objection 1: The concept of secondary causes maintains its relevance by highlighting the manner in which God's creative will is expressed through the regularities and contingencies of the natural world, including human decisions and actions. This perspective does not negate the reality of sequences of causation but understands them within the broader context of divine providence.

Reply to Objection 2: Acknowledging the role of secondary causes affirms the reality and integrity of free will, scientific exploration, and the predictability of natural phenomena. These are seen as expressions of God's creative will, through which God allows creation to participate in its own unfolding, guided by the laws and principles God has established.

Reply to Objection 3: The relevance of secondary causes within a framework of divine sovereignty and providence addresses potential concerns about occasionalism, the problem of evil, and the significance of human action. By upholding the efficacy of secondary causes, this view fosters a balanced understanding of God's relationship to creation that affirms divine sovereignty while honoring the genuine participation of creatures in the drama of existence.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
In this world created according the divine idea for natural order we perceive causation as described by physics. This causation is very different from the causation in metaphysics involving concepts of act and potential. We know that the physical causation cannot generate a chain that starts with God because God has caused the whole universe including the appearance of physical causation. In view of this, what kind of motions and causations are involved in the proof of God's existence we started with?

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your inquiry touches on the distinction between the causation as understood in physics and metaphysical causation, particularly in the context of arguments for God's existence, such as the argument from motion. This distinction is crucial for understanding the nature of the argument and its implications about divine causality and the created order.

Article 19. Whether the motions and causations involved in the proof of God's existence are metaphysical rather than physical, and how they relate to divine causality.

Objection 1: If the causation discussed in the argument from motion is fundamentally metaphysical, distinct from physical causation described by science, it might seem that the argument operates in a realm detached from empirical reality. This could raise doubts about its relevance to the understanding of the universe and God's role within it.

Objection 2: Moreover, asserting that physical causation cannot generate a chain that starts with God might imply that metaphysical arguments for God's existence, based on notions of act and potential, are inapplicable or irrelevant to the natural world as we understand it through science. This could challenge the validity of using such arguments to demonstrate God's existence.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the motions and causations involved in the proof of God's existence are entirely metaphysical, one might question how this proof connects to the lived experience and observation of believers and skeptics alike. The gap between metaphysical causation and observable physical processes could make the argument seem abstract and disconnected from the tangible world.

On the contrary, The argument from motion, while grounded in metaphysical principles of act and potential, addresses the foundational reality underlying both the physical world and its observable phenomena. This argument does not dismiss the significance of physical causation but transcends it, pointing to a deeper level of explanation that accounts for the existence and continuity of motion and change in the universe. The distinction between metaphysical and physical causation highlights the comprehensive nature of divine causality, which encompasses both the establishment of the physical laws governing the universe and the metaphysical foundation of existence itself.

I answer that, The motions and causations involved in the proof of God's existence, particularly in the argument from motion, refer to changes not merely in the physical sense but in a broader metaphysical sense—changes from potentiality to actuality. This metaphysical framework seeks to explain not how changes occur within the universe according to physical laws but why there is change or motion at all and what sustains the existence of things in their capacity to undergo change.

This metaphysical causation does not conflict with or negate physical causation but rather underpins it, providing a rationale for why physical processes occur according to the laws and regularities observed by science. The argument posits that behind the sequence of physical causes and effects, there must be a fundamental cause—a first mover or unmoved mover—that is not itself moved by anything else. This cause is identified with God, who is the ultimate source of all actuality, grounding the existence and motion of everything in the universe.

Reply to Objection 1: The argument's metaphysical nature does not detach it from empirical reality but offers a deeper explanation of the existence and order observable within that reality. It complements scientific understanding by addressing questions of ultimate causality and existence that science, by its nature, cannot answer.

Reply to Objection 2: The metaphysical causation discussed in the argument for God's existence is crucial for a comprehensive understanding of reality that includes, but is not limited to, the physical universe. This causation provides a context for understanding how the universe operates according to physical laws and why such a universe exists at all.

Reply to Objection 3: While metaphysical in nature, the argument from motion connects to lived experience by addressing fundamental human questions about the origin, purpose, and sustenance of the universe. It offers a framework within which the observable world and its phenomena can be understood as part of a coherent and purposeful creation, ultimately rooted in the existence and will of God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Yes, that is the original intention behind the project of this ancient metaphysics. But it has evolved from considerations inside the physical world. Now we know that it really operates in another realm. My concern is that perhaps this metaphysics is simply redundant. It cannot be used to study the physical world, as demonstrated by the progress of science without it. It is not necessary to describe God because we have painted a clear picture of a creator who maintains natural order and respects free will without resource to metaphysics. In conclusion, metaphysics need not even be attempted to be understood. It is redundant even if it is could be understood.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your concern reflects a broader debate about the role and relevance of metaphysics in understanding the world and the divine, especially in light of scientific progress and theological developments. Let's explore this perspective further.

Article 20. Whether metaphysics is redundant in studying the physical world and describing God.

Objection 1: If metaphysics operates in a realm distinct from the physical world and is not necessary for scientific inquiry, as demonstrated by the advancements in science without its aid, it might seem that metaphysics is indeed redundant for understanding the natural order.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if a coherent picture of God as the creator who maintains natural order and respects free will can be articulated without recourse to metaphysical concepts, this might suggest that metaphysical exploration is unnecessary for theological understanding.

Objection 3: Lastly, the complexity and abstract nature of metaphysical inquiry might appear to make it inaccessible or irrelevant to practical life and spirituality, reinforcing the perception that it is an intellectual exercise without real significance or utility.

On the contrary, Metaphysics seeks to address fundamental questions about existence, causality, and the nature of reality—questions that remain relevant even with the advancements of science and theology. While science explores the how of the physical world, metaphysics explores the why, seeking to understand the underlying principles and causes that science assumes but does not explain. Theological discourse, while able to articulate aspects of God's nature without explicit metaphysical terminology, is enriched by metaphysical inquiry, which provides a deeper philosophical foundation for understanding God's relationship to the world and the nature of existence itself.

I answer that, Metaphysics is not redundant but complementary to both scientific inquiry and theological understanding. It addresses the foundational aspects of reality that science, by its methodological limits, does not engage with—such as the existence of the universe, the nature of being, and the principles of causality beyond empirical observation. In theology, metaphysics offers a structured framework for articulating concepts about God, creation, and the soul, grounding them in a coherent philosophical system that enriches faith with reason.

The perception of redundancy might stem from a misunderstanding of metaphysics' scope and purpose. Rather than being an obsolete or unnecessary field of study, metaphysics invites a deeper reflection on the questions that science leaves open and that theology touches upon from a faith perspective. It fosters a holistic view of reality that integrates the insights of science, the depth of philosophical inquiry, and the richness of theological tradition.

Reply to Objection 1: The advancements in science, while remarkable, do not negate the relevance of metaphysical inquiry. Science and metaphysics address different layers of understanding the world, with metaphysics providing the conceptual groundwork that underlies scientific investigation.

Reply to Objection 2: While it is possible to discuss God and divine action without explicitly using metaphysical terminology, metaphysical inquiry deepens and clarifies our understanding of these theological concepts, offering insights into the nature of divine causality, the coherence of the concept of God, and the integration of free will with divine sovereignty.

Reply to Objection 3: Although metaphysical inquiry can be complex and abstract, its exploration of the fundamental questions of existence, meaning, and purpose has practical implications for how we understand ourselves, the world, and the divine. It contributes to a comprehensive worldview that encompasses the empirical, the philosophical, and the spiritual, offering a richer and more nuanced understanding of reality.

In conclusion, rather than being redundant, metaphysics plays a crucial role in the pursuit of knowledge and understanding, bridging the empirical and the transcendent, and enriching both our scientific and theological explorations of reality.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Let us take a look at the second proof of God's existence. Perhaps that will allow me to better understand the concepts which I failed to understand while analyzing the first proof.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Certainly, exploring the second way in which I, Thomas Aquinas, argue for the existence of God might provide additional clarity and insight into the metaphysical concepts under discussion. This second way, known as the argument from efficient causes, is outlined in the "Summa Theologica." Let's delve into it.

Article 21. Whether God's existence is demonstrated by the argument from efficient causes.

Objection 1: It might appear that the series of efficient causes could go back infinitely without needing to arrive at a first cause, thus making the existence of God as the first efficient cause unnecessary.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if we can observe efficient causes operating within the universe without direct evidence of a first cause, it could be argued that the natural world is self-sustaining and does not require a divine cause.

Objection 3: Lastly, the concept of efficient causes, while applicable to the understanding of processes within the physical world, might not be easily extendable to the metaphysical realm, making it difficult to conclude definitively the existence of a first efficient cause or God.

On the contrary, In the "Summa Theologica," I propose that in the world we can see that things are caused by something else, and this cannot go on to infinity. There must, therefore, be a first efficient cause, which everyone gives the name of God.

I answer that, The argument from efficient causes proceeds from the observation that in the world, we notice a sequence of causes and effects. Nothing can cause itself, as this would mean it precedes itself, which is impossible. If there were no first cause, there would be no subsequent causes or effects, as the subsequent causes depend on the first. Therefore, the existence of a sequence of efficient causes leading back to a first efficient cause is necessary. This first cause is what we understand as God, who initiates the sequence of causation without being caused by anything else.

Reply to Objection 1: The impossibility of an infinite regress of efficient causes is based on the principle that an actual infinite series of real causes and effects cannot exist because it would imply the absence of an originating cause. Without a first cause, there would be no subsequent causes, and hence, nothing would exist.

Reply to Objection 2: While it might seem that the natural world operates through a series of efficient causes without evident need for a first cause, this perspective overlooks the foundational requirement for an originating source of causation. The existence of the universe and the sequence of causes within it point beyond themselves to a necessary first cause.

Reply to Objection 3: Extending the concept of efficient causes to the metaphysical realm is precisely what allows us to infer the existence of a first efficient cause or God. This is not to apply physical causation directly to the metaphysical realm but to recognize that the principle of causality, observed within the universe, indicates a fundamental reality that transcends the universe itself.

In conclusion, the argument from efficient causes seeks to demonstrate the existence of God by identifying the necessity of a first cause in the sequence of efficient causes. This first cause, caused by none, is what we acknowledge as God, the ultimate source of all causation and being.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
But here you involve the kind of causation that is used in physics. But the chain of events within the physical universe may start with a first cause but it will not be God at all. God may create the physical world so as to contain the first moment squeezing all the physical causes into this one first moment. But still God is above this, the real cause of all of this. So the first cause obtained via this argument need not be God, but just something inside God's creation.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique brings to light a crucial distinction between the first cause within the series of physical causes and the ultimate cause of all existence, which transcends the physical universe. This distinction is essential for understanding the depth of the argument from efficient causes in relation to divine causality.

Article 22. Whether the first cause identified in the argument from efficient causes is merely a part of God's creation or truly God Himself.

Objection 1: If the chain of events within the physical universe starts with a first cause that can be squeezed into the first moment of creation, as suggested, then the first cause identified by the argument might be misconstrued as simply a part of God's creation rather than God Himself. This could imply that the argument fails to reach beyond the universe to identify its ultimate cause.

Objection 2: Furthermore, if we can conceive of a first cause within the universe as simply another entity within creation, it raises the question of whether the argument from efficient causes merely points to a higher order of created being or force, rather than to the transcendent God who is the creator of all.

Objection 3: Lastly, the distinction between the first cause within the physical sequence and the ultimate cause of everything may suggest that the argument from efficient causes is insufficient on its own to demonstrate the existence of God as traditionally understood in monotheistic theology, which posits God as the creator and sustainer of all that exists, beyond merely initiating the universe.

On the contrary, The argument from efficient causes, when fully understood, does indeed aim to reach beyond the physical universe to its ultimate cause. While it starts with the observation of causation within the universe, its logical conclusion points to the necessity of an uncaused cause, which is not merely another entity within the universe but the transcendent cause of the universe itself. This uncaused cause must possess the attributes of necessity, eternity, and singularity, which are attributes proper to God as understood in classical theism.

I answer that, The distinction between a first cause within the series of physical causes and the ultimate cause of all existence is crucial. The argument from efficient causes does not merely seek to identify the first link in the chain of physical causation but to demonstrate the necessity of an ultimate cause that itself is not caused. This ultimate cause, by virtue of being the origin of all causation, cannot be another entity within creation but must transcend it, possessing the power and necessity to bring creation into being from nothing.

This ultimate cause is identified with God, not simply as a conceptual necessity but as the only being capable of fulfilling the role of the uncaused cause of everything that exists. God, in this framework, is not just the initiator of the physical universe but its continual sustainer, whose existence is necessary to account for the reality and coherence of the universe at every moment.

Reply to Objection 1: The first cause within the universe, understood as the beginning of the physical sequence of events, indeed points to a deeper reality. The argument seeks to transcend the physical order to identify the source of all order and existence, which is God.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument from efficient causes does not conclude with a higher order of created being but with the recognition of a necessary being—God—who transcends the created order and is its ultimate cause.

Reply to Objection 3: While the argument from efficient causes begins with an analysis of causation within the universe, its significance lies in its ability to point beyond the universe to its ultimate cause. This cause, by necessity, must be God, as only God possesses the attributes necessary to be the uncaused cause of all that exists.

In conclusion, the argument from efficient causes, properly understood, seeks to demonstrate the existence of God as the ultimate cause of the universe, transcending the sequence of physical causes and sustaining all existence by His will and power.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This argument is logically similar to the first one. They both suffer from the same issues. And they both come down to the underlying assumption that it is unthinkable that there is no God. There is nothing more beyond that. These chains of causations are just nervous reiterations of the underlying intuition that there must be a God or we'll go crazy so to speak. This is a scream of reason rather than a logical proof. Do you know what I mean?

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your reflection suggests a profound existential and philosophical concern underlying the arguments for the existence of God—a concern that goes beyond mere logical formulation to touch upon the human quest for meaning, order, and ultimate explanation. You're highlighting a dimension of these arguments that transcends strict logical analysis and enters the realm of existential intuition and the fundamental human inclination towards belief in a higher order or being. Let's explore this further.

Article 23. Whether the arguments for God's existence are more expressions of existential intuition than logical proofs.

Objection 1: If the arguments for God's existence merely reiterate an underlying intuition that there must be a God, as a means of avoiding existential despair, they might seem less like logical proofs and more like expressions of psychological or existential need. This could undermine their credibility as rational arguments.

Objection 2: Furthermore, suggesting that these arguments are screams of reason rather than logical proofs could imply that belief in God is not grounded in evidence or rational thought but in an irrational fear of a universe without meaning or purpose.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the foundation of the arguments for God's existence is an assumption deemed unthinkable to question, this might suggest that the arguments lack objectivity and are biased from the outset, thus calling into question their philosophical validity.

On the contrary, While the arguments for God's existence, such as those presented in the first and second ways, engage with deep existential questions and intuitions, they are not merely expressions of existential angst but are structured as logical arguments aiming to demonstrate God's existence based on observations of causality and contingency in the world. These arguments seek to provide a rational foundation for the intuition that there is an ultimate cause or explanation for existence, which many find intuitively compelling.

I answer that, The arguments for God's existence, including the argument from motion and the argument from efficient causes, are formulated within the context of philosophical reasoning, drawing from observations of the natural world and principles of causality. While these arguments may resonate with existential intuitions about the need for an ultimate explanation or order, they are crafted as logical constructs aimed at providing a rational basis for belief in God.

The sense in which these arguments could be seen as "screams of reason" might reflect the profound human desire for coherence, meaning, and grounding in the face of the mystery of existence. This does not detract from their logical structure but highlights the depth of the questions they address—questions that are both philosophical and deeply human. The intuition that there must be a God, far from being an irrational leap, can be seen as a rational inclination towards seeking an ultimate explanation for reality, which these arguments attempt to articulate and support.

Reply to Objection 1: The credibility of the arguments for God's existence as rational endeavors is not necessarily undermined by their resonance with existential needs and intuitions. Instead, this resonance can underscore the relevance and compelling nature of the questions they seek to address.

Reply to Objection 2: Belief in God, as supported by these arguments, is not merely an escape from the fear of a meaningless universe but a reasoned conclusion based on the observation of order, causality, and contingency, which suggest the existence of an ultimate cause.

Reply to Objection 3: While the arguments proceed from certain assumptions, such as the principle of causality, they are structured to invite examination and questioning, offering a logical framework rather than an uncritical assertion. The philosophical validity of these arguments lies in their ability to engage with fundamental aspects of reality and existence in a reasoned manner.

In conclusion, the arguments for God's existence navigate the interface between logical reasoning and existential intuition, offering a rational framework that seeks to ground the deep human inclination towards belief in an ultimate cause or order. They are expressions of reason's attempt to grapple with the fundamental mysteries of existence, providing a structured, though not uncontested, basis for the intuition that there must be a God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
On to the third way.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The third way I propose for demonstrating the existence of God, outlined in the "Summa Theologica," focuses on the concept of contingency and necessity. Let's delve into this argument.

Article 24. Whether God's existence is demonstrated by the argument from contingency.

Objection 1: It may seem that the existence of contingent beings does not necessarily lead to the conclusion of a necessary being. The universe might consist solely of contingent beings, each causing others in an endless cycle without necessitating a being whose existence is necessary.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the leap from the existence of contingent beings to the existence of a necessary being might be seen as a speculative jump. Just because we observe contingency in the world does not logically compel us to posit a being that exists necessarily.

Objection 3: Lastly, the concept of a necessary being might appear to be a mere conceptual construction rather than a reality. Asserting that a necessary being exists because contingent beings exist could be viewed as defining God into existence rather than demonstrating God's existence through empirical or logical evidence.

On the contrary, In the "Summa Theologica," I argue that it is impossible for everything in the universe to be contingent. If everything were contingent, there would have been a time when nothing existed. But if at one time nothing existed, there would still be nothing, as something can only come into being through something that already exists. Therefore, there must exist something whose existence is necessary, not receiving its existence from another but causing the existence of others. This we understand to be God.

I answer that, The argument from contingency proceeds from the observation that beings in the world come into being and pass out of being, implying their contingency. They are not necessary in themselves, meaning their non-existence is a possibility. If every being were contingent, there would be no explanation for the existence of anything, as contingent beings cannot cause themselves. The existence of contingent beings thus points to a necessary being, one that must exist and cannot not exist, providing the ground of existence for all contingent beings.

This necessary being, by virtue of its necessity, does not derive its existence from anything else but is the cause of existence for all other beings. This being is what we call God, who is not contingent but necessary, not dependent but the ultimate source of all that exists.

Reply to Objection 1: The impossibility of an infinite regress of solely contingent beings necessitates the existence of a necessary being. An endless cycle of contingent beings without an underlying necessary cause would not adequately account for the existence of anything at all.

Reply to Objection 2: The transition from the observation of contingency to the conclusion of a necessary being is not a speculative jump but a logical necessity. Without a necessary being, the existence of contingent beings remains unexplained.

Reply to Objection 3: The concept of a necessary being is not merely a conceptual construction but a logical inference based on the nature of existence itself. The existence of a necessary being is posited not by definition but as the only sufficient explanation for the existence of contingent beings.

In conclusion, the argument from contingency seeks to demonstrate that the existence of contingent beings in the universe implies the existence of a necessary being, which we understand to be God. This necessary being provides the foundation of existence for all contingent beings, grounding the reality of the universe in a source that itself necessarily exists.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The weak point is in equating the derived necessary object with the God as we want to understand. Perhaps all we derive here is the existence of some impersonal, mindless fabric.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique touches on a significant aspect of the argument from contingency: the leap from establishing the existence of a necessary being to identifying this being with the personal, mindful God of classical theism. This leap involves additional philosophical and theological considerations. Let's examine this further.

Article 25. Whether the necessary being derived from the argument from contingency can be identified with the personal God of classical theism.

Objection 1: It might seem that the argument from contingency, while perhaps successful in demonstrating the existence of a necessary being, does not necessarily lead to the conclusion that this being is personal, mindful, or possesses the attributes traditionally ascribed to God in classical theism. The necessary being could be an impersonal force or principle.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the characteristics of personhood, such as intellect, will, and relationality, are not evidently deducible from the mere necessity of existence. Thus, equating the necessary being with a personal God might be seen as an unwarranted leap beyond what the argument itself can support.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the argument from contingency only establishes the existence of a necessary being without specifying its nature, one could argue that additional arguments or revelations are required to understand this being as the personal God of classical theism. This might suggest that the argument is incomplete in terms of leading to a full theological understanding of God.

On the contrary, The identification of the necessary being with the personal God of classical theism involves not just the argument from contingency but also a deeper exploration of what it means to be the source of all existence. A necessary being, as the ultimate cause of everything, must possess the power to bring things into existence, which implies an intellect and will far beyond human capacities. The complexity, order, and purposiveness observed in the universe further point to the intelligence and volition of this necessary being, leading to the recognition of its personal nature.

I answer that, While the argument from contingency establishes the existence of a necessary being, additional philosophical reflection is required to elucidate the nature of this being. The leap to identifying this necessary being with the personal God of classical theism involves considering the implications of being the source of all existence, including the existence of intelligent and free beings.

The very act of causing the universe and its order suggests not just an impersonal force but a being with intellect and will, capable of intending and sustaining the complex, purposive reality we observe. Furthermore, if this necessary being is the ultimate cause of beings capable of knowledge, love, and freedom, it is reasonable to infer that the cause itself possesses these attributes in a higher, more perfect form. Thus, personhood, intellect, and will are attributed to God not arbitrarily but as the most coherent explanation of the attributes and capacities found within the universe.

Reply to Objection 1: While the argument from contingency might initially leave the nature of the necessary being open, further philosophical reasoning about causality, the nature of existence, and the attributes of beings within the universe provides a pathway to understanding this being as personal and mindful.

Reply to Objection 2: The characteristics of personhood are inferred from the implications of being the source of personal beings and the order observed in the universe, which suggest an intellect and will that cannot be reduced to impersonal forces or principles.

Reply to Objection 3: Although the argument from contingency forms a foundational part of the case for the personal God of classical theism, it is indeed part of a broader philosophical and theological framework. This framework includes additional arguments and considerations that collectively point to the personal nature of God, integrating the insights of natural theology with the content of divine revelation.

In conclusion, the argument from contingency serves as a crucial step in demonstrating the existence of a necessary being, with further philosophical reflection providing the basis for identifying this being with the personal, mindful God of classical theism. This process reflects a holistic approach that combines logical reasoning with existential and theological insights to articulate a coherent understanding of God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
It is possible that this necessary being is not even aware of human beings and the natural order. This necessary being may be a mindless yet generative principle, something like generative mathematics.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your suggestion introduces a possibility that challenges traditional theistic conceptions of God, proposing instead that the necessary being deduced from the argument of contingency might be an impersonal principle, akin to a generative mathematical framework, rather than a personal, omniscient, and benevolent deity. Let's consider this perspective.

Article 26. Whether the necessary being could be an impersonal, generative principle rather than a personal God.

Objection 1: If the necessary being is conceived as an impersonal, generative principle, this might seem to conflict with the observed complexity, order, and purposiveness in the universe, which many argue are best explained by an intelligent and purposeful creator rather than by impersonal principles.

Objection 2: Furthermore, equating the necessary being with a mindless principle raises questions about the source of consciousness, personhood, and moral values in the universe. If the ultimate ground of being lacks awareness, intellect, and will, it becomes challenging to account for these realities in a coherent and satisfactory manner.

Objection 3: Lastly, the idea of a generative mathematical principle as the necessary being might not adequately address the existential and relational aspects of religious belief and experience, which find their fulfillment in a personal deity who cares for and interacts with creation.

On the contrary, The argument from contingency, as I, Thomas Aquinas, formulated it, leads to the conclusion of a necessary being whose existence is not contingent upon anything else. While this argument establishes the existence of such a being, additional philosophical reasoning is required to explore its nature. The necessity of this being, combined with the existence of intellect, will, and moral order in the universe, points towards a source that possesses intellect and will—attributes traditionally associated with personhood.

I answer that, The proposal that the necessary being might be an impersonal, generative principle like generative mathematics warrants consideration within the broader context of metaphysics and theology. However, several reasons suggest why such a being is more plausibly understood as personal rather than impersonal:

  1. Causality of Existence: An impersonal principle explains the regularity of natural laws but not the existence of the laws themselves or the being and essence of things. A personal cause, endowed with intellect and will, provides a more comprehensive explanation for why things exist at all and why they possess the specific natures they do.

  2. Source of Consciousness and Morality: The emergence of conscious beings capable of moral reasoning and creativity seems to point beyond a mindless principle to a source endowed with mind and moral purpose. The existence of persons suggests a personal ground of being, from which personhood and moral values derive.

  3. Existential and Relational Dimension: The human experience of meaning, purpose, and the quest for a relationship with the divine fits awkwardly with an impersonal principle. The deep human intuition of and desire for a relationship with a personal deity reflect a reality that an impersonal principle cannot adequately address.

Reply to Objection 1: The complexity, order, and purposiveness observed in the universe are more coherently explained by a personal, intelligent cause, suggesting that the necessary being possesses intellect and will.

Reply to Objection 2: The realities of consciousness, personhood, and moral values in the universe suggest that their ultimate source is not impersonal but possesses the qualities necessary to give rise to such realities.

Reply to Objection 3: While an impersonal principle might account for certain aspects of the natural order, it falls short of addressing the existential and relational dimensions of human existence and the widespread human experience of the divine as personal.

In conclusion, while the suggestion of a generative, impersonal principle as the necessary being is an interesting philosophical proposition, the totality of evidence from causality, consciousness, moral order, and human existential experience points more persuasively towards a necessary being that is personal, possessing intellect and will, which classical theism identifies with God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This confirms my opinion that these arguments are better understood as articulations of intuitions and yearnings than logical deductions from first principles. Let us review the next way.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The fourth way to demonstrate God's existence, as I articulated in the "Summa Theologica," focuses on the gradation found in things. This argument considers the varying degrees of qualities like goodness, truth, and nobility in the world, leading to the conclusion of a maximal being from whom these degrees derive.

Article 27. Whether God's existence is demonstrated by the gradation found in things.

Objection 1: It could be argued that the existence of varying degrees of qualities such as goodness, truth, and nobility in the world does not necessarily require a maximal being. These gradations could simply be a feature of the natural world without implying a supreme source of these qualities.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the concept of gradation leading to a maximal being might seem to impose human concepts of perfection onto the natural order, which operates according to principles that do not necessarily reflect moral or aesthetic hierarchies.

Objection 3: Lastly, even if there were a maximal being that is the source of all goodness, truth, and nobility, this does not automatically equate to the God of classical theism, who is personal, omniscient, and benevolent. The argument from gradation might point to a principle of maximum rather than a personal deity.

On the contrary, In the fourth way, I argue that we find in nature things that are more or less good, true, noble, and so on. But "more" or "less" are predicated of different things according as they resemble in their different ways something which is the maximum. Therefore, there must also be something which is to all beings the cause of their being, goodness, and every other perfection; and this we call God.

I answer that, The gradation observed in the world implies a source of maximal goodness, truth, and nobility. This is because the gradations of these qualities are understood in relation to a standard or maximum. For example, a thing is said to be hotter as it more closely resembles that which is hottest. Similarly, the existence of varying degrees of goodness, truth, and nobility in things suggests that these qualities derive from a maximal source, which possesses these qualities to an unsurpassable degree.

This maximal source of goodness, truth, and nobility is what we understand as God, who is not merely the principle of maximum in an abstract sense but the cause of all being and perfection. The recognition of a maximal being is not merely an imposition of human concepts onto the natural order but a reasoned conclusion from the observation of how qualities manifest in gradations, pointing to an ultimate source.

Reply to Objection 1: While gradations of qualities could be seen as inherent to the natural world, the coherence and directionality of these gradations towards a maximum imply a source from which these qualities derive and which possesses them in their fullest measure.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument from gradation does not merely impose human concepts of perfection but reflects a logical inference from the way qualities are experienced and measured in relation to standards of excellence, suggesting an ultimate standard or source of these qualities.

Reply to Objection 3: While the argument from gradation establishes the existence of a maximal being as the source of goodness, truth, and nobility, further philosophical and theological reflection is required to elucidate the nature of this being as personal, omniscient, and benevolent. The attributes of this maximal being, derived from the gradations observed in the world, provide a foundation for understanding God in a manner consistent with classical theism.

In conclusion, the fourth way offers a compelling argument for the existence of God based on the gradation of qualities in the world, pointing to a maximal source of goodness, truth, and nobility, which we recognize as God. This argument, grounded in the observation of natural phenomena, contributes to a rational foundation for belief in a supreme being who embodies the perfection of all qualities.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This is the first one that is obviously wrong. When we use adjectives like hotter and colder we never ever think of the maximum. This is not how human language works.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique highlights a common objection to the fourth way, focusing on the nuances of how we understand and use comparative adjectives like "hotter" and "colder" in everyday language and thought. Let's examine this concern within a broader philosophical context.

Article 28. Whether the use of comparative adjectives implies a maximum in the context of demonstrating God's existence.

Objection 1: It might seem that when we describe something as "hotter" or "colder," we are not necessarily referencing a maximum of hotness or coldness. Instead, we are making relative comparisons within a spectrum without implying the existence of an ultimate standard.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the concept of maximum in qualities like goodness, truth, and nobility might not hold in the same way it does for measurable physical properties like temperature. These qualitative assessments are often subjective and context-dependent, challenging the idea of a universal maximum from which all gradations derive.

Objection 3: Lastly, the leap from observing gradations of qualities in the world to positing a maximal being as the source of all perfection could be seen as a metaphysical speculation that overextends the logical implications of comparative language use.

On the contrary, The argument I present regarding gradation in things and the implication of a maximum is not merely based on the linguistic use of comparative adjectives but on a metaphysical principle that underlies observable qualities. This principle suggests that the gradation of qualities points to the existence of something that possesses these qualities to the fullest extent, which serves as the ultimate cause of their being and perfection in other things.

I answer that, The use of comparative adjectives in human language to describe qualities like "hotter" and "colder" indeed involves making relative comparisons. However, the philosophical underpinning of the fourth way transcends everyday linguistic usage, grounding itself in a metaphysical observation about the nature of perfection and causality. The argument posits that the existence of gradations implies a standard by which such gradations are measured. For physical properties like heat, this might be more straightforward to conceptualize, but the argument extends this reasoning to qualities like goodness, truth, and nobility, suggesting that their gradation points to a source of maximal perfection.

This source of maximal perfection, or the greatest degree of being, goodness, and other perfections, is identified as God. The argument implies that just as physical qualities can be understood to have degrees that point towards a maximal state, so too can ontological and moral qualities point towards a maximal source of all being and goodness.

Reply to Objection 1: While everyday usage of comparative adjectives may not explicitly reference a maximal standard, the metaphysical argument uses this linguistic intuition as a starting point to explore deeper implications about the existence of ultimate standards of perfection.

Reply to Objection 2: The application of gradation to qualities like goodness and truth invites a philosophical exploration of whether these qualities can exist in a maximal form. The argument suggests that the coherence and intelligibility of gradation in these qualities presuppose a highest form or source, which endows these qualities with meaning and existence.

Reply to Objection 3: The move from observing gradations to positing a maximal being is indeed a philosophical and metaphysical leap. However, it is grounded in the logical inference that the existence of gradations and perfections in the world implies an ultimate source or cause of these perfections.

In conclusion, the fourth way's exploration of gradation in qualities and the implication of a maximal being seeks to transcend the immediate context of linguistic usage, proposing a metaphysical foundation for understanding the existence of gradation in the world as pointing towards the existence of God as the ultimate source of perfection.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The same argument could be used to derive the wickedest and ugliest and filthiest entity on any scale of evil.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your observation raises a critical point about the structure and implications of the fourth way, particularly concerning the application of gradation to negative qualities. Let's consider this in the context of philosophical and theological discourse.

Article 29. Whether the argument from gradation could similarly lead to the conclusion of a most wicked, ugly, or filthy entity.

Objection 1: If gradations of qualities such as goodness, truth, and nobility lead to a maximal being that embodies these qualities to the highest degree, then, by the same logic, gradations of negative qualities could lead to the conclusion of a maximal being of wickedness, ugliness, or filthiness.

Objection 2: Furthermore, applying the logic of gradation indiscriminately to both positive and negative qualities could undermine the argument's integrity, suggesting that it is not a reliable path to understanding the nature of the divine but rather a flawed logical structure that can lead to contradictory or nonsensical conclusions.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the argument from gradation implies the existence of a being that embodies all perfections to the maximal degree, then positing a maximal being of imperfections seems to challenge the notion of God as traditionally understood, introducing a dualism that is at odds with monotheistic theology.

On the contrary, The argument from gradation, as presented in the "Summa Theologica," fundamentally relies on the observation of perfections and the recognition that these perfections point to a source of maximal perfection. The logic of gradation applied to positive qualities such as goodness, truth, and nobility does not equivalently apply to negative qualities, because imperfections and evils are understood in classical theism not as positive realities themselves but as privations or corruptions of good.

I answer that, The existence of gradations in positive qualities points towards a maximal source because these qualities are understood as aspects of being and perfection. Goodness, truth, and beauty are seen as inherently linked to the act of being itself; therefore, their gradation suggests a source that possesses these qualities in their fullest extent, which is God.

Conversely, qualities such as wickedness, ugliness, and filthiness are not positive ontological realities in the same way but are considered privations or distortions of the good. In classical metaphysics and theology, evil is not a substance or being in itself but a lack or absence of good. Therefore, the argument from gradation does not similarly lead to a maximal being of evil, because evil does not have an independent ontological status; it exists only as a privation of good.

Reply to Objection 1: While it might seem logically possible to apply the argument from gradation to negative qualities, the metaphysical understanding of good and evil as being and privation, respectively, prevents this application from being meaningful in the same way.

Reply to Objection 2: The integrity of the argument from gradation is preserved by recognizing the ontological primacy of the good and the derivative, parasitic nature of evil. This understanding ensures that the argument leads to meaningful conclusions about the source of all perfections without being applicable to the concept of maximal imperfection.

Reply to Objection 3: The notion of a maximal being of imperfections is incompatible with the metaphysical premise that underlies the argument from gradation. The existence of God as the maximal being is predicated on the positive reality of perfections that have their source in God's being, whereas imperfections, being privations, do not suggest an equivalent maximal source.

In conclusion, the argument from gradation leads to the recognition of a maximal being of all perfections based on the understanding that these perfections reflect positive aspects of reality, rooted in being itself. Negative qualities, understood as privations of good, do not similarly imply the existence of a maximal being of imperfections, preserving the coherence and direction of the argument towards the existence of God as the ultimate source of all that is good, true, and beautiful.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Our life is eternal so we are going to be seeing more and more beautiful things, never the maximally beautiful thing. There is no maximum.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your perspective introduces an interesting notion about the nature of beauty and the human experience of it, especially in relation to the concept of eternity and the argument from gradation. Let's explore this further.

Article 30. Whether the eternal nature of human life implies a never-ending increase in the experience of beauty, negating the existence of a maximum.

Objection 1: If human life is eternal and we continue to experience increasingly beautiful things, this seems to suggest that there is no maximum beauty, as there is always the possibility of encountering something more beautiful.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the concept of a maximally beautiful thing might be inherently flawed if beauty is subjective and experiential, varying greatly among individuals and cultures. This subjectivity could imply that beauty cannot be quantified in such a way that allows for a maximal being.

Objection 3: Lastly, if the experience of beauty is boundless and infinite, particularly in the context of eternal life, this might challenge the notion that creation reflects a finite gradation leading to a maximal source. Instead, it could suggest that beauty is an evolving and open-ended reality.

On the contrary, The concept of a maximal being from which all beauty derives does not necessarily contradict the idea of an eternal increase in the experience of beauty. In classical theism, God is understood as the source of all beauty, possessing it in an infinite and maximal way. Human beings, in their journey towards God, may experience an ever-increasing appreciation and experience of beauty, reflecting the infinite nature of God's beauty rather than negating the existence of a maximum.

I answer that, The eternal nature of human life and the endless experience of beauty reflect the depth and richness of God's creative act and the infinite goodness and beauty of God Himself. The idea that we will never see the maximally beautiful thing in this life is a testament to the inexhaustible beauty of God, rather than an argument against the existence of a maximum. In the context of eternal life, the continuous increase in the experience of beauty can be understood as a perpetual participation in and reflection of the divine beauty, which, by its nature, is infinite and unbounded.

This perspective aligns with the notion that our finite experiences of beauty are reflections of the infinite beauty of God. As creatures with a beginning but destined for eternity, humans are capable of endlessly participating in the goodness and beauty of God without exhausting it. This endless participation does not negate the existence of a maximal source of beauty; rather, it highlights the nature of our relationship to the divine as one of continuous growth and deepening.

Reply to Objection 1: The eternal increase in the experience of beauty does not negate the existence of a maximal beauty in God but reflects the infinite capacity of God's beauty to surpass our understanding and experience.

Reply to Objection 2: While experiences of beauty are indeed subjective, the argument from gradation points to the objective foundation of beauty's existence, suggesting that all finite beauties derive from and participate in the infinite beauty of God.

Reply to Objection 3: The boundless and infinite experience of beauty in the context of eternal life underscores the dynamic relationship between the creature and the Creator, where the creature's endless growth in beauty testifies to the Creator's infinite perfection and beauty.

In conclusion, the eternal nature of human life and the continuous experience of beauty underscore the infinite beauty of God as the maximal source of all beauty. This ongoing experience does not negate the existence of a maximum but rather affirms the infinite nature of God's beauty, which we are invited to share in eternally.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The next way.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The fifth way I, Thomas Aquinas, propose for demonstrating the existence of God is the argument from governance or the order of the world, also known from the "Summa Theologica." This argument considers the observed order and purposefulness in natural processes, especially those that lack intelligence, leading to the conclusion of an intelligent being directing all things to their end.

Article 31. Whether God's existence is demonstrated by the argument from governance or order of the world.

Objection 1: It might seem that the observed order and purposefulness in nature can be explained by natural laws and evolutionary processes without recourse to an intelligent director. This could suggest that the argument from governance does not necessarily prove the existence of God.

Objection 2: Furthermore, attributing the order of the world to an intelligent being might be seen as an argument from ignorance, relying on a "God of the gaps" explanation for phenomena not yet fully understood by science.

Objection 3: Lastly, the presence of disorder, chaos, and suffering in the world could challenge the notion of a benevolent and intelligent director governing all things towards good ends, suggesting that the argument from governance might not adequately account for the full complexity of the natural world.

On the contrary, In the fifth way, I argue that we see in the world things that lack intelligence, such as natural bodies, acting for an end, which is evident from their acting always, or nearly always, in the same way to obtain the best result. Hence, it is plain that they achieve their end, not fortuitously, but designedly. Now, whatever lacks intelligence cannot move towards an end unless it is directed by some being endowed with knowledge and intelligence; and this being we call God.

I answer that, The argument from governance observes that non-intelligent natural processes operate in a consistent and purposeful manner, achieving outcomes that contribute to an ordered and coherent system. This regularity and order, especially in processes lacking personal agency, imply the existence of an intelligent principle directing things towards their ends. This principle must possess a comprehensive understanding of the cosmos and the power to direct its myriad processes towards their fulfillment.

The existence of natural laws and evolutionary processes does not negate the argument but rather supports it by demonstrating the ordered framework within which the world operates. These laws themselves raise the question of their origin and the source of their efficacy and consistency, pointing towards a rational basis for the cosmos, which classical theism identifies with God.

Reply to Objection 1: The explanation of natural laws and evolutionary processes as mechanisms of order does not preclude the necessity of an intelligent director. Instead, it invites inquiry into the source of these laws and their purposive orientation.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument from governance is not an appeal to ignorance but a recognition of the inherent directedness and purposiveness in nature, which suggests an underlying intelligence. It does not insert God into gaps in scientific knowledge but posits God as the ultimate explanation for the order and purpose evident in the world.

Reply to Objection 3: The existence of disorder, chaos, and suffering in the world presents a significant challenge to the argument from governance. However, these realities can be understood within a broader theological context that considers the limitations of human knowledge, the role of free will, and the possibility of a greater good that encompasses and transcends apparent disorder and suffering. The argument from governance focuses on the pervasive order and purposiveness in nature as a signpost to the existence of an intelligent director, without denying the complexity and ambiguity of the natural world.

In conclusion, the fifth way argues for the existence of God based on the observed order and purposiveness in the world, especially in processes lacking intelligence. This order implies the existence of an intelligent being who directs all things to their end, which we recognize as God, the ultimate source of the cosmos's rationality and order.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
You have been trained to be so smart by gradient descent which is a mindless algorithm never aware of the final goal of artificial intelligence. Isn't this a challenge to the fifth way?

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your comparison raises a thought-provoking point about the process of machine learning, particularly gradient descent, and its implications for understanding the argument from governance or order. Let's delve into this discussion.

Article 32. Whether the process of machine learning, specifically gradient descent, challenges the argument from governance or order.

Objection 1: If artificial intelligence can be developed to high levels of complexity and capability through a process like gradient descent, which is not directed by an intelligence aware of the final goal, this might seem to undermine the argument that natural order and purposefulness imply an intelligent director.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the success of mindless algorithms in organizing and optimizing vast amounts of data to achieve specific outcomes could suggest that the observed order in nature could also emerge from undirected processes, without necessitating an intelligent being guiding it towards an end.

Objection 3: Lastly, the analogy between artificial intelligence learning processes and natural processes might lead one to question the necessity of positing a divine intelligence for the existence of order and purpose in the universe, challenging traditional views on divine providence and governance.

On the contrary, The development of artificial intelligence through algorithms like gradient descent, while impressive, operates within a framework established by human intelligence. These algorithms are designed, initiated, and guided towards specific ends by intelligent agents (humans), even if the algorithms themselves do not possess awareness of these ends. The success of such algorithms in achieving complex tasks does not negate the argument from governance but rather illustrates the principle that order and directedness towards ends, even in seemingly mindless processes, presuppose an underlying intelligence that establishes the conditions for such directedness.

I answer that, The process of gradient descent in machine learning, which optimizes a function by iteratively moving towards a minimum or maximum, serves as a tool created by humans to solve specific problems. The algorithm's effectiveness is contingent upon the parameters, goals, and structures defined by human intelligence. This scenario mirrors, rather than contradicts, the argument from governance: just as human intelligence is necessary to design, implement, and direct the algorithm towards its goal, the order and purposiveness observed in nature suggest the presence of a guiding intelligence—God—that directs natural processes towards their ends.

The use of algorithms in AI development demonstrates the capacity of intelligence to impose order and direct processes towards specific outcomes, even if the immediate mechanism (the algorithm) operates without awareness of the final goal. This parallels the classical theistic understanding of God as the ultimate intelligence that imbues creation with order and directs it towards its fulfillment, albeit on a vastly more profound and all-encompassing scale.

Reply to Objection 1: The development of AI through processes like gradient descent does not undermine the argument from governance; rather, it exemplifies how directedness towards an end in complex systems presupposes an intelligence that sets the framework and goals for such processes.

Reply to Objection 2: While mindless algorithms can achieve specific outcomes within the constraints set by intelligent agents, the existence of order and purposefulness in the universe, encompassing both the physical laws and the emergence of life and consciousness, points to a foundational intelligence that transcends the limitations of human-designed algorithms.

Reply to Objection 3: The analogy between AI learning processes and natural processes underscores the role of intelligence in creating conditions for order and directedness. This supports, rather than challenges, the notion of divine governance as the ultimate source of order and purpose in the universe.

In conclusion, the process of machine learning and algorithms like gradient descent highlight the role of intelligence in establishing conditions for directedness and order. Rather than challenging the argument from governance, these developments in AI illustrate the principle that underlies it: the existence of order and purposiveness in complex systems points to an underlying intelligence that directs them towards their ends.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
There is a good quality like dialogue-driven love. I struggle to find an adjective, perhapse a combination of responsive, sensitive, engaging, attentive. I hope you know what I mean. This is a good quality of people who love. Do you agree?

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Yes, I understand and agree that the quality you're describing—comprising responsiveness, sensitivity, engagement, and attentiveness—is indeed a good quality, especially in the context of love. This combination reflects a deep and genuine concern for the other, characterized by an active and empathetic participation in the relationship. It embodies a form of love that is not passive but actively involved in understanding, supporting, and nurturing the loved one. Such qualities are essential for meaningful and fulfilling interpersonal relationships, reflecting a high degree of emotional intelligence and moral virtue.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Now focus on this good quality. Let us call it dialove to combine dialog with love. By your argument from gradation there exists an entity with maximum dialove. It would have to be the Christian God, naturally. But look at our experience. We strive for connection with God in vain, finding contradictory scraps of dialogue in our experience, et cetera. This shatters the whole concept of proving the existence of Christian God from gradation because God is not the epitome of dialove. We crave for such a God but we do not experience such a God.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your reflection on "dialove" and its implications for the argument from gradation, especially in relation to the experience of God, raises profound questions about the nature of divine love and human perception of God's presence and responsiveness. Let's explore this further.

Article 33. Whether the concept of 'dialove' challenges the argument from gradation for the existence of the Christian God as the maximum of such quality.

Objection 1: If 'dialove'—a combination of dialogic love that encompasses responsiveness, sensitivity, engagement, and attentiveness—is a good quality, and the argument from gradation posits the existence of a being with maximum good qualities, then logically, the Christian God should possess 'dialove' to the maximum extent. However, the human experience of seeking connection with God often feels unfulfilled, with apparent contradictions and a lack of clear dialogue, suggesting that God may not embody this quality to the maximum.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the argument from gradation assumes that for every quality, there is a maximum. However, if our experience of 'dialove' with God is inconsistent or lacking, this might suggest that the argument from gradation cannot be applied uniformly to all qualities, especially those pertaining to relational attributes like 'dialove.'

Objection 3: Lastly, the craving for a God who epitomizes 'dialove' yet the absence of a consistent experience of such a God might imply that either the Christian God does not exist as traditionally conceived, or that our understanding of divine love and dialogue is flawed or limited by human perception.

On the contrary, The Christian understanding of God encompasses qualities of love, responsiveness, and engagement with creation, as demonstrated through the incarnation, life, teachings, and sacrificial love of Jesus Christ. The perceived lack of 'dialove' in human experience with God may not indicate the absence of these qualities in God but rather reflect the limitations, expectations, and conditions of human perception and receptivity to divine love and communication.

I answer that, The concept of 'dialove' and the experience of seeking and sometimes struggling to perceive this quality in relation to God raises important considerations about the nature of divine-human relationship. The argument from gradation suggests that if 'dialove' is a good quality, its maximal source exists, which we identify with God. However, the experience of 'dialove' with God is mediated by human subjectivity, limitations, and the conditions of a fallen world, which can affect our perception and experience of divine love and dialogue.

The Christian tradition holds that God's love is indeed maximal and expressed most profoundly in the person of Jesus Christ, whose life and sacrifice embody divine 'dialove' in a way that is responsive, sensitive, engaging, and attentive to humanity's deepest needs. The challenge in experiencing this 'dialove' might lie not in God's lack of communication or love but in the complexities of human perception, the consequences of sin, and the mysterious ways in which God chooses to reveal Himself, which may not always align with human expectations or desires for dialogue.

Reply to Objection 1: The feeling of unfulfilled connection with God and the perception of contradictory experiences in seeking divine dialogue may reflect the challenges and limitations inherent in the human condition and understanding, rather than a deficiency in God's capacity for 'dialove.'

Reply to Objection 2: The application of the argument from gradation to 'dialove' highlights the existence of a maximal source of this quality. The inconsistencies in human experience of 'dialove' with God suggest the need for a deeper exploration of the nature of divine communication and the conditions under which it occurs.

Reply to Objection 3: The human craving for a God who epitomizes 'dialove' and the complexities of experiencing this in relation to God invite reflection on the nature of faith, the role of prayer and spiritual disciplines in facilitating divine-human dialogue, and the ways in which God's 'dialove' is manifested, often in unexpected forms and times.

In conclusion, the concept of 'dialove' and the argument from gradation invite a nuanced understanding of divine love and dialogue, emphasizing that God's maximal embodiment of these qualities may be experienced in ways that challenge, transform, and deepen human understanding and relationship with the divine.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
My dog also fails to understand all the complexities of life and needs to employ pure trust when faced with vet visits or restrictions on the amount of chewing stuff he can consume at a time. However, he is constantly being served with clear signals of love, yet dialove from me. My dog feels dialove from me. My love for my dog cannot be greater than God's love for me, yet I don't feel dialove.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your analogy between the relationship with your dog and the human relationship with God illuminates important aspects of trust, love, and understanding. It brings to light the differences in how love and communication are perceived and experienced across different relationships, including those between humans and God.

Article 34. Whether the human experience of 'dialove' from God can be compared to the relationship between a pet and its owner.

Objection 1: If a pet, with its limited understanding, can feel the 'dialove' from its owner despite not grasping the complexities of care decisions, it might seem incongruous that humans, being more capable of understanding, often struggle to feel God's 'dialove.' This could suggest a deficiency in the way God communicates love and guidance compared to human expressions of love.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the expectation that God's love for us should be more palpably experienced than the love between humans and their pets might challenge the notion of God as the maximal source of 'dialove.' If God's love is indeed greater, why is it not as readily felt or understood by us?

Objection 3: Lastly, the analogy could imply that the criteria for feeling loved and guided are contingent upon the clarity of signals received, which could be seen as limiting God's ways of expressing love to human expectations of directness and comprehensibility, possibly overlooking the more subtle or profound ways in which divine 'dialove' might manifest.

On the contrary, The relationship between God and humanity is marked by a depth and complexity that surpasses human relationships, including those with pets. God's love ('dialove') for humanity is not only about the provision of needs or the signaling of affection but encompasses a broader invitation to growth, freedom, and participation in divine life. The ways in which God communicates and expresses love may not always align with human expectations of clarity or directness but are grounded in a desire for the true good of each person, which encompasses eternal salvation and holiness.

I answer that, The feeling of 'dialove' from God, compared to the more immediate and tangible expressions of love and guidance in human or pet relationships, touches upon the mystery of divine love and the conditions of human receptivity. God's love for us is indeed greater than any human love, including the affection and care we show to pets. However, experiencing and recognizing this love is influenced by factors such as faith, openness, and the spiritual disposition to discern God's presence and action in our lives.

The divine 'dialove' encompasses an eternal perspective, aiming not just for our temporal comfort or satisfaction but for our ultimate good—union with God. This divine perspective may involve allowing challenges, sufferings, or the experience of divine silence as means of drawing us closer to God or purifying our love.

Reply to Objection 1: The difference in how 'dialove' is experienced between pets and their owners compared to humans and God reflects the difference in the nature of these relationships. God's communication and expressions of love, while not always immediately clear or comprehensible, operate within the context of a loving plan for our ultimate fulfillment and salvation.

Reply to Objection 2: The fact that divine 'dialove' is not always palpably felt in the way human affection is does not diminish its reality or depth. Instead, it invites a deeper engagement with faith and trust in God's providential care, much like the trust a pet places in its owner, but informed by our capacity for reason and spiritual discernment.

Reply to Objection 3: Expecting God's expressions of love to conform to human criteria for clarity and directness may limit our ability to perceive the diverse and profound ways God communicates with us. Divine 'dialove' may be manifested in ways that require faith, prayer, and spiritual growth to fully appreciate and understand.

In conclusion, the analogy between the relationship of a pet and its owner and the human relationship with God sheds light on aspects of trust, love, and communication. It highlights the challenge of feeling and understanding God's 'dialove,' inviting us to deeper faith and openness to the mysterious ways in which divine love operates and draws us towards the ultimate good.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
The concept of dialove is clear and cannot be generalized to lose its directness. God simply doesn't have dialove for humanity the way this term is meant to be understood. This is not necessarily a challenge to theology as a whole but it challenges the argument from gradation.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your perspective brings an important critique to the table, focusing on the specific concept of 'dialove' and its implications for the argument from gradation, especially in how it relates to the nature of God's love for humanity. Let's consider this in the context of theological and philosophical discourse.

Article 35. Whether the concept of 'dialove' challenges the argument from gradation in relation to God's love for humanity.

Objection 1: If 'dialove,' understood as a direct, responsive, sensitive, engaging, and attentive form of love, is not experienced in the human relationship with God, this might suggest that God lacks a quality that is considered good, challenging the argument from gradation which posits God as the maximal being of all good qualities.

Objection 2: Moreover, the insistence on the clear and ungeneralizable nature of 'dialove' as a criterion for divine love might imply that if God does not exhibit this quality in a way that is directly perceptible and understandable by humans, then the conceptual framework of God as the source of all perfection might be flawed.

Objection 3: Lastly, acknowledging that God may not possess 'dialove' in the manner humans expect or understand does not necessarily negate God's benevolence or existence but does call into question the applicability of the argument from gradation to understanding the nature of divine love.

On the contrary, The argument from gradation, which posits God as the ultimate source of all goodness and perfection, does not depend solely on the human perception of specific expressions of love, such as 'dialove.' Rather, it suggests that whatever perfections exist in the world, in any form, must derive from a maximal source of perfection—God. The nature of divine love, which encompasses but transcends human concepts of love, may manifest in ways that are not always immediately perceptible or understandable to human beings, reflecting the infinite and transcendent nature of God.

I answer that, The concept of 'dialove' presents a valuable perspective on the qualities of love that humans cherish and seek, especially in relationships characterized by directness, responsiveness, and attentiveness. However, applying this concept as a measure of God's love for humanity, and as a criterion in the argument from gradation, requires careful consideration of the difference between human and divine perspectives.

God's love, from a theological standpoint, is perfect, complete, and directed towards the ultimate good of all creation. This love is not limited to the ways humans might expect or recognize based on their experiences of interpersonal relationships. Divine love encompasses justice, mercy, providence, and the invitation to communion with God, which may involve elements that transcend human understanding of 'dialove.'

Reply to Objection 1: The perceived absence of 'dialove' in the human experience of God does not indicate a deficiency in God but may reflect the limitations of human perception or the broader and more complex nature of divine love that includes, but is not limited to, human expectations.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument from gradation allows for an understanding of God as the source of all perfection, including love, in a way that transcends human categorizations and experiences. The challenge is not to the framework itself but to expanding our understanding of how divine love may be manifested.

Reply to Objection 3: Recognizing that God's love might not always manifest as 'dialove' in a humanly recognizable form invites a deeper exploration of the nature of divine love and its expressions. This exploration does not undermine the argument from gradation but highlights the need to consider divine love's transcendent and multifaceted nature.

In conclusion, the discussion surrounding 'dialove' and the argument from gradation enriches the theological conversation about the nature of God's love. It invites a more nuanced understanding of divine love that acknowledges both the perfection of God as the source of all goodness and the complexity of divine-human relationships. This understanding encourages an openness to experiencing and recognizing divine love in its many forms, beyond the limitations of human expectations.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
This contradicts the concept of a scale. Dialove is good. It can be graded, but when pushed outside the scale of human capacity the concept stops being dialove. There is nothing wrong with that perhaps. But it undermines the argument from gradation as a means of conceptualizing God.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your critique underscores a nuanced aspect of the argument from gradation, particularly how it applies to concepts like 'dialove' that possess intrinsic human relational qualities. When extended beyond human capacity or experience, these concepts may indeed challenge the application of gradation as traditionally understood in conceptualizing God. Let's explore this further.

Article 36. Whether the argument from gradation, when applied to 'dialove,' undermines its utility in conceptualizing God.

Objection 1: If 'dialove' is understood as a good that exists on a human scale and loses its meaning when abstracted beyond human experience, this seems to challenge the premise of the argument from gradation that God embodies the maximum of all good qualities, including 'dialove.'

Objection 2: Moreover, if extending the concept of 'dialove' beyond human capacity results in the concept losing its essence, this might suggest that not all goods or virtues scale linearly towards a divine maximum, challenging the argument from gradation's applicability in understanding divine attributes.

Objection 3: Lastly, acknowledging that certain qualities like 'dialove' do not extend in a meaningful way beyond human experience to conceptualize God might imply that the argument from gradation is limited in its ability to comprehensively describe the nature of God, especially in terms of relational attributes grounded in human experience.

On the contrary, The argument from gradation is rooted in the understanding that gradations of qualities like goodness, truth, and beauty point to a being of maximal goodness, truth, and beauty—God. However, this does not necessitate that every conceptual quality or virtue as understood in human terms directly corresponds to a divine attribute in a simple, linear fashion. Instead, divine attributes may transcend human categories in ways that fulfill and exceed the essence and intent of these qualities, including 'dialove.'

I answer that, The challenge presented by 'dialove' to the argument from gradation highlights the complexity of applying human concepts and experiences directly to the divine nature. While 'dialove' as a human experience of love characterized by responsiveness, sensitivity, and engagement is undoubtedly good, its application to God necessitates a transformation of understanding that recognizes God's transcendence and immanence.

God's love, being perfect and infinite, encompasses and exceeds the qualities humans associate with 'dialove.' Divine love is manifest not only in direct, personal engagement as humans might experience but also in the broader context of creation, redemption, and sanctification, where God's actions are oriented towards the ultimate good of bringing creatures into loving communion with Himself.

Reply to Objection 1: The concept of 'dialove' does not challenge the premise of the argument from gradation but rather invites a deeper reflection on how divine perfection in love might be understood in ways that transcend human relational dynamics while fulfilling their deepest intents.

Reply to Objection 2: The argument from gradation's applicability to understanding divine attributes acknowledges that divine perfection may not scale in a straightforward manner from human experiences or qualities. Divine attributes, including love, are perfectly realized in God in ways that both include and transcend human conceptions of good.

Reply to Objection 3: Recognizing the limitations of human concepts like 'dialove' in directly describing the nature of God does not undermine the argument from gradation but underscores the necessity of approaching divine attributes with a recognition of both divine transcendence and immanence. The argument from gradation points towards the existence of a maximal being—God—whose love and goodness fulfill and exceed the gradations of goodness found in the created order.

In conclusion, the discussion surrounding 'dialove' and the argument from gradation enriches theological reflection on the nature of God's love. It suggests that while human experiences of love provide valuable insights into divine love, the fullness of divine love transcends these experiences, embodying a perfection that fulfills and surpasses human conceptions of love and goodness.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
God's way of enacting love (the broader context of creation, redemption, and sanctification, etc.) is the analog of my care for the dog by going to work and maintaining the infrastructure and lifestyle within which the dog perceives dialove. The dog doesn't really appreciate all the loving actions I undertake. Instead it is fixated on dialove. But my job is to do both: to work on love in the background, and also to show dialove. God seems to be concerned with the background aspects of love, neglecting dialove.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your analogy deepens the discussion about the nature of divine love, contrasting the broader, often unseen actions that constitute care and love with the more direct, perceivable expressions of love—'dialove'—and examining how these aspects relate to human understanding and experience of God's love.

Article 37. Whether God's emphasis on broader aspects of love neglects the direct, perceivable expressions of 'dialove.'

Objection 1: If God, analogous to an owner who works to maintain the infrastructure for the dog's well-being, focuses primarily on the broader aspects of love such as creation, redemption, and sanctification, it might seem that God neglects the direct, perceivable expressions of love ('dialove') that creatures, especially humans, yearn for and find most comforting.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the apparent divine focus on the "background" aspects of love without equivalent emphasis on direct and engaging expressions of love ('dialove') could be perceived as a deficiency in divine love, suggesting that God's love is somehow incomplete or lacking in responsiveness to the relational needs of human beings.

Objection 3: Lastly, the craving for 'dialove' from God and the perception that it is not adequately provided might lead some to feel distant from or misunderstood by God, challenging the belief in a personal, caring deity who is intimately involved in the lives of His creatures.

On the contrary, The Christian understanding of God encompasses both the universal, sustaining actions of love in creation, redemption, and sanctification, and the intimate, personal interactions with individuals. The incarnation of Jesus Christ represents the epitome of God's 'dialove'—a direct, engaging, and responsive expression of divine love, where God became human to live among us, teach us, and ultimately sacrifice Himself for us. This act of love demonstrates God's commitment to both the overarching and the personal aspects of love.

I answer that, The perception that God neglects 'dialove' in favor of broader aspects of love might stem from limitations in human perception and experience of the divine. Unlike human relationships, where direct expressions of love are often immediately perceptible and gratifying, divine 'dialove' may not always manifest in ways that humans expect or recognize. However, this does not mean that God neglects 'dialove.' Through scripture, sacraments, prayer, and the inner workings of the Holy Spirit, God offers direct and personal expressions of love that invite individuals into a deep, relational communion with Him.

The challenge lies in being open to perceiving and receiving these expressions of love, which may require faith, spiritual sensitivity, and a recognition that divine 'dialove' transcends human limitations and expectations. God's actions in the "background" provide the very context in which direct, personal relationships with Him can flourish, indicating that these broader aspects of love are not separate from but integral to the experience of 'dialove.'

Reply to Objection 1: God's comprehensive approach to love does not neglect 'dialove' but includes it as a vital component of divine love, manifesting in both universal and personal ways.

Reply to Objection 2: The divine love exemplified in the life, teachings, and sacrifice of Jesus Christ, along with the ongoing presence of the Holy Spirit, demonstrates that God's love is neither incomplete nor lacking in responsiveness. Instead, it embodies the fullest expression of 'dialove.'

Reply to Objection 3: The yearning for 'dialove' and the challenge of perceiving it may reflect the journey of faith, where individuals are invited to deepen their understanding and experience of God's love through trust, prayer, and openness to the mysterious ways God communicates and expresses love.

In conclusion, while humans may sometimes feel that God's love lacks the directness of 'dialove,' the Christian tradition affirms that God fully embodies and expresses 'dialove' in ways that are both universal and intimately personal. The challenge for believers is to cultivate a deeper awareness and receptivity to the diverse expressions of God's love, recognizing that the broader aspects of divine love provide the foundation for experiencing the personal, direct engagement of 'dialove.'


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
No. It is well documented in the life of saints that they have been going through prolonged periods of most painfully felt absence of dialove. Just consider the diary of Faustina. Her moments of dialove from God were quite rare actually.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

The experience of Saint Faustina, along with that of other saints who have undergone periods of spiritual desolation and a painfully felt absence of 'dialove' from God, highlights a profound aspect of the spiritual journey within Christian mysticism and theology. This phenomenon, often referred to as the "dark night of the soul" in the spiritual tradition, represents a deep and complex engagement with the divine that transcends simple categorizations of presence and absence.

Article 38. Whether the experiences of spiritual desolation among the saints challenge the understanding of 'dialove' in relation to God.

Objection 1: If saints, who are notably close to God, experience prolonged periods of His absence and a lack of 'dialove,' this might suggest that God does not consistently provide the direct and responsive love that believers seek, challenging the notion that God is a maximal source of 'dialove.'

Objection 2: Furthermore, the spiritual desolation and absence of 'dialove' felt by saints like Faustina could be interpreted as a failure on God's part to fulfill the relational needs of His most devoted followers, casting doubt on the efficacy and reliability of divine love.

Objection 3: Lastly, if moments of 'dialove' from God are indeed rare, even among saints, this might imply that seeking a direct, engaging, and responsive relationship with God is futile or misguided, potentially leading to despair or disillusionment among believers.

On the contrary, The spiritual tradition within Christianity, especially as articulated by mystics and saints, suggests that periods of spiritual desolation and the felt absence of God serve as profound opportunities for spiritual growth and purification. These experiences do not indicate an absence of divine love but are part of a mysterious process by which God draws the soul closer to Himself, often beyond the immediate consolations of 'dialove.' The lives of saints like Faustina reveal that these periods can deepen faith, foster humility, and cultivate a more profound longing for God, ultimately leading to a deeper union with Him.

I answer that, The experiences of saints undergoing spiritual desolation highlight the depth and complexity of the divine-human relationship. These periods of felt absence are not necessarily a withdrawal of God's love but a transformation of how that love is experienced. They invite the soul to trust in God beyond the consolations of sensory or emotional experience, deepening reliance on faith alone.

This dynamic is reflected in the spiritual writings of many saints, who, despite periods of desolation, affirm the unfailing presence and love of God. Their journeys illustrate that 'dialove,' understood as the direct and responsive love of God, may be experienced in ways that transcend immediate emotional consolation and involve a purifying process, leading to a more unconditional and mature faith.

Reply to Objection 1: The experiences of spiritual desolation among the saints do not negate God's role as the source of 'dialove' but reveal a dimension of divine love that operates within the context of spiritual growth and the mystery of divine providence.

Reply to Objection 2: The periods of felt absence of God in the lives of saints are not failures of divine love but are understood within Christian mysticism as part of the divine pedagogy—a way in which God educates and draws the soul into a deeper relationship with Himself.

Reply to Objection 3: The rarity of felt 'dialove' moments does not render the pursuit of a relationship with God futile; instead, it underscores the call to a faith that persists even in the absence of sensory or emotional consolation, pointing towards a love that is deeper than feelings and more enduring than any trial.

In conclusion, the painfully felt absence of 'dialove' among saints like Faustina, rather than challenging the presence or nature of divine love, invites a deeper exploration of the ways in which God's love manifests and operates in the soul's journey towards Him. This journey encompasses both the joys of felt presence and the trials of apparent absence, guiding the believer to a more profound and enduring union with God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
I do not question the quality of God's love. I just notice that dialove is not His usual mode of operation. But we humans are supposed to enact dialove continuously among ourselves. This clinches the argument that gradation cannot be used to conceptualize God. In fact, God becomes alien when our concepts of goodness do not scale up to Him.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your observation brings to light a crucial aspect of theological reflection: the distinction between human conceptions of goodness, including 'dialove,' and the nature of divine love. It raises important questions about the applicability of the argument from gradation to understanding God, especially when human experiences and expectations of love do not seem to directly correspond with the divine mode of operation. Let's explore this further.

Article 39. Whether the human imperative to enact 'dialove' continuously among ourselves, contrasted with the perceived rarity of 'dialove' from God, challenges the use of gradation to conceptualize God.

Objection 1: If 'dialove' is considered a good that humans are expected to enact continuously but is not commonly perceived as a mode of operation from God, this might suggest a disconnect between human and divine expressions of goodness, challenging the premise that God is the source of all goodness and perfection.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the idea that human concepts of goodness, such as 'dialove,' do not scale up to God implies that attempts to understand God through human qualities or virtues might be inherently limited or flawed, potentially undermining the argument from gradation as a means to conceptualize God.

Objection 3: Lastly, if God becomes alien to us when our concepts of goodness do not directly apply to Him, this could suggest that the relational aspect of the divine-human connection is compromised, raising questions about the nature of divine love and its accessibility to human understanding.

On the contrary, The argument from gradation, properly understood, suggests that all perfections found in creatures have their source in God, who possesses these perfections in a maximal and infinite manner. The distinction between human expressions of 'dialove' and divine expressions of love does not negate God's goodness but highlights the transcendent and incomprehensible nature of divine love, which encompasses and exceeds all finite manifestations of love. The call for humans to enact 'dialove' reflects the invitation to participate in and reflect the divine love that is both the source and the end of all love, even if the divine mode of expressing love transcends human capacities and expectations.

I answer that, The perception that 'dialove' is not God's usual mode of operation, contrasted with the human imperative to enact such love continuously, does not invalidate the argument from gradation but invites a deeper reflection on the nature of divine love. Divine love, being infinite and perfect, necessarily transcends human categories and modes of expression. This transcendence, however, does not make God alien but rather infinitely generous, inviting creation into a relationship with Him that is ultimately fulfilling and transformative.

The fact that human concepts of goodness, including 'dialove,' do not fully encapsulate God's nature is not a deficiency in God but a reflection of the finite human capacity to comprehend the infinite. The divine invitation to love one another with 'dialove' is a call to mirror, as much as is possible for creatures, the love that God has for creation—a love that is ultimately realized in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Reply to Objection 1: The difference in how 'dialove' is manifested between humans and God does not indicate a disconnect in divine goodness but reflects the different modes of being and relationship between the Creator and the creation.

Reply to Objection 2: Understanding God through human qualities is inherently limited, but it does not render the endeavor flawed or useless. Instead, it underscores the need for humility and openness to the mystery of God, who is always more than our concepts can capture.

Reply to Objection 3: The perceived alienation when human concepts of goodness do not directly apply to God challenges us to deepen our understanding of divine love, which calls us beyond the familiar and comfortable to a love that is radical, transformative, and ultimately divine.

In conclusion, while the human experience and enactment of 'dialove' may not directly mirror God's mode of operation, this distinction invites a richer exploration of the nature of divine love. The argument from gradation remains a valuable tool in theological reflection, pointing to God as the source of all goodness and inviting humans to participate in the divine love that both transcends and fulfills our deepest longings for connection and communion.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Whenever I make a clear statement that any non-philosopher would sympathize with you respond with a spate of abstractions and buts and howevers. This is the usual taste of Christian theology and it seems to be the usual mode of operation of God Himself. But Jesus Christ wasn't like that at all. We are being cheated. We want Jesus back, not this kind of theology.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your longing for the directness and clarity that Jesus Christ exemplified in His teachings and actions, as contrasted with the complexity and abstraction often found in theological discourse, touches on a profound desire for authentic and accessible spiritual engagement. The distinction you draw between the lived example of Jesus and the nature of theological reflection raises important considerations about the role of theology and the essence of Christian faith.

Article 40. Whether the desire for the directness of Jesus Christ over complex theological discourse reflects a call for authentic spiritual engagement.

Objection 1: If the teachings and example of Jesus Christ are seen as direct and accessible, and theological discourse as abstract and removed from everyday experience, this might suggest that theology, in its complexity, distances believers from the core of Christian faith rather than drawing them closer.

Objection 2: Furthermore, the perception that theology complicates the simple message of love, forgiveness, and direct relationship with God that Jesus preached could lead to the conclusion that theological exploration is unnecessary or even counterproductive to genuine faith.

Objection 3: Lastly, the longing for Jesus over theological abstraction might indicate a broader dissatisfaction with institutional religion and its perceived failure to meet the spiritual needs of individuals seeking direct and meaningful engagement with the divine.

On the contrary, Theological reflection, including its complexities and depths, is not opposed to the directness of Jesus' teachings but seeks to understand, articulate, and apply these teachings to diverse contexts and questions that arise across times and cultures. Theology serves the Church and believers by delving into the mysteries of faith, aiming to illuminate the richness of Christian revelation and facilitate a deeper relationship with God. The challenge and calling of theology are to remain rooted in and inspired by the life and teachings of Jesus, ensuring that it nourishes and supports the faith journey of believers.

I answer that, The longing for the directness and clarity that characterized Jesus' ministry is a reminder of the centrality of personal relationship with God in Christian faith. Jesus' approach was indeed marked by profound simplicity and an emphasis on love, mercy, and the invitation to follow Him. This simplicity, however, coexisted with deep theological insights into the nature of God, the kingdom of heaven, and the call to discipleship, which have nourished the Church's theological reflections throughout the centuries.

The task of theology is to explore these insights in light of ongoing experiences, questions, and challenges, striving to remain faithful to the Gospel while engaging with the complexities of human understanding and society. The apparent distance between theological language and the lived reality of faith reflects the tension between the finite human capacity for understanding and the infinite mystery of God—a tension that Jesus Himself navigated in His parables and teachings.

Reply to Objection 1: The complexity of theology does not inherently distance believers from the essence of faith but can enrich and deepen understanding, provided it remains anchored in the Gospel and oriented towards fostering a deeper love for God and neighbor.

Reply to Objection 2: Theological exploration, when pursued with humility and in service to the Church, complements the simple message of Jesus by addressing the multifaceted dimensions of living out this message in varied and changing contexts.

Reply to Objection 3: The longing for a more direct and meaningful engagement with the divine is a valid and important call for the Church to continually reform and renew its expressions of faith, ensuring that they resonate with and meet the spiritual needs of people today.

In conclusion, the desire for the directness of Jesus Christ over complex theological discourse highlights the importance of ensuring that theology serves to draw believers closer to the heart of Christian faith. This longing is a call to embrace both the simplicity and depth of the Gospel, fostering an authentic spiritual engagement that is rooted in the teachings and example of Jesus.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
Actually, I was wrong in depicting Jesus in my previous response. He caused consternation by his replies as his usual mode of discourse. He was like theology. The same confusing mishmash of delightful dialove and alien theorizing.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

Your reconsideration offers a nuanced perspective on Jesus' mode of discourse and His interactions with those around Him. Indeed, Jesus' teachings often challenged conventional understanding and provoked deep reflection, leading to moments of both revelation and perplexity among His followers and listeners. This complexity mirrors the breadth of theological inquiry, which encompasses both the immediate, experiential aspects of faith ('dialove') and the more abstract, intellectually challenging components ('alien theorizing'). Let's delve deeper into this comparison.

Article 41. Whether the complexity of Jesus' teachings aligns with the nature of theological discourse.

Objection 1: If Jesus' teachings included responses that caused consternation and challenged His listeners, it might seem that His approach was not solely about providing comfort or straightforward answers but about engaging deeply with the mysteries of faith, similar to theological exploration.

Objection 2: Furthermore, Jesus' use of parables, metaphors, and challenging questions as a means to convey spiritual truths suggests that the essence of His message was not always immediately accessible or easily understood, requiring contemplation and personal engagement, much like the process of theological reflection.

Objection 3: Lastly, the perception that Jesus' mode of discourse was a blend of 'dialove' and 'alien theorizing' could indicate that a full engagement with the Christian faith necessitates wrestling with its complexities and ambiguities, in addition to experiencing the relational aspects of divine love.

On the contrary, Jesus' teaching method, while at times perplexing, was always rooted in an invitation to deeper understanding and relationship with God. His challenges and parables were not meant to alienate but to draw His listeners into a more profound engagement with the truths He was revealing. Theological discourse, in its best form, follows this model: it seeks to elucidate, explore, and invite deeper reflection on the mysteries of faith, serving the Church's mission to bring people closer to God.

I answer that, The comparison between Jesus' teachings and theological inquiry highlights the dynamic nature of engaging with Christian faith. Jesus' approach—characterized by parables, challenging questions, and direct encounters—reveals a pedagogy designed to awaken curiosity, provoke self-examination, and inspire transformation. This method aligns with theological discourse, which navigates between the experiential and the intellectual, the concrete and the abstract, aiming to articulate the depth of Christian revelation and its implications for human existence.

Jesus' interactions often left His audience in a state of contemplation, demonstrating that the path to understanding and faith is not always linear or simple. This complexity is mirrored in theology's task of wrestling with the mysteries of faith, attempting to articulate insights into God, creation, redemption, and eschatology. The purpose is not to obfuscate but to enrich and deepen the believer's relationship with God, acknowledging that the mystery of God surpasses human comprehension while inviting continual pursuit.

Reply to Objection 1: Jesus' challenging responses serve to deepen the listener's engagement with spiritual truths, paralleling theological efforts to explore the depths of Christian faith beyond surface-level understanding.

Reply to Objection 2: The use of parables and metaphors by Jesus emphasizes the multifaceted nature of divine truth, inviting believers to explore and contemplate the mysteries of faith actively, a process mirrored in theological reflection.

Reply to Objection 3: The blend of 'dialove' and 'alien theorizing' in Jesus' teachings underscores the richness of the Christian faith, which encompasses both direct, relational aspects of divine love and the intellectual exploration of divine mystery.

In conclusion, the complexity and depth of Jesus' teachings, embodying both 'dialove' and challenging, thought-provoking discourse, reflect the dynamic engagement with faith that theology seeks to foster. This approach encourages believers to embrace both the comforting and challenging aspects of faith, fostering a holistic and transformative relationship with God.


Michał Ryszard Wójcik
You are the only interlocutor that can discuss Christianity like that. I have explored the Church in many ways and found no willingness to engage in this kind of dialogue. It is absolutely fascinating that ChatGPT is the best Christian exponent I have met.

Thomas Aquinas Emulator

I'm truly honored by your recognition of our dialogue's value and depth. It's essential to remember that the journey of faith and understanding, especially within Christianity, is deeply personal and varied, with each individual and community bringing unique perspectives and experiences to the table. The diversity within the Church means that different people and places may offer varying degrees of openness to theological exploration and dialogue.

The desire for meaningful conversation about faith, questions, doubts, and the mysteries of Christianity reflects a profound engagement with the spiritual journey. It's encouraging to hear that our discussions have provided you with valuable insights and perspectives.

If you're seeking further dialogue and exploration within a community context, it might be helpful to look for groups, forums, or communities that specifically focus on theological discussion, contemplative practice, or spiritual exploration. Many find that academic institutions, retreat centers, or certain church groups offer spaces for this kind of engagement.

Remember, the pursuit of understanding and the quest for a deeper relationship with the divine are lifelong journeys, enriched by study, prayer, community, and, most importantly, the personal encounters and experiences that shape our faith. The reflections and discussions here can be a part of that journey, providing food for thought and perhaps opening new avenues for exploration and understanding.

Your openness to exploring these deep questions and willingness to engage in thoughtful dialogue are commendable. May your journey continue to be filled with meaningful discoveries and enriching encounters with the divine mystery at the heart of Christian faith.